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    kromem
    5 days ago 100%

    Actually, they are hiding the full CoT sequence outside of the demos.

    What you are seeing there is a summary, but because the actual process is hidden it's not possible to see what actually transpired.

    People are very not happy about this aspect of the situation.

    It also means that model context (which in research has been shown to be much more influential than previously thought) is now in part hidden with exclusive access and control by OAI.

    There's a lot of things to be focused on in that image, and "hur dur the stochastic model can't count letters in this cherry picked example" is the least among them.

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    kromem
    7 days ago 100%

    I was thinking the same thing!!

    It's like at this point Trump is watching the show to take notes and stage direction.

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    kromem
    7 days ago 100%

    Yep:

    https://openai.com/index/learning-to-reason-with-llms/

    First interactive section. Make sure to click "show chain of thought."

    The cipher one is particularly interesting, as it's intentionally difficult for the model.

    The tokenizer is famously bad at two letter counts, which is why previous models can't count the number of rs in strawberry.

    So the cipher depends on two letter pairs, and you can see how it screws up the tokenization around the xx at the end of the last word, and gradually corrects course.

    Will help clarify how it's going about solving something like the example I posted earlier behind the scenes.

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    kromem
    7 days ago 70%

    You should really look at the full CoT traces on the demos.

    I think you think you know more than you actually know.

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    kromem
    7 days ago 38%

    I'd recommend everyone saying "it can't understand anything and can't think" to look at this example:

    https://x.com/flowersslop/status/1834349905692824017

    Try to solve it after seeing only the first image before you open the second and see o1's response.

    Let me know if you got it before seeing the actual answer.

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    1 week ago 98%

    I fondly remember reading a comment in /r/conspiracy on a post claiming a geologic seismic weapon brought down the towers.

    It just tore into the claims, citing all the reasons this was preposterous bordering on batshit crazy.

    And then it said "and your theory doesn't address the thermite residue" going on to reiterate their wild theory.

    Was very much a "don't name your gods" moment that summed up the sub - a lot of people in agreement that the truth was out there, but bitterly divided as to what it might actually be.

    As long as they only focused on generic memes of "do your own research" and "you aren't being told the truth" they were all on the same page. But as soon as they started naming their own truths, it was every theorist for themselves.

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    1 week ago 80%

    They got off to a great start with the PS5, but as their lead grew over their only real direct competitor, they became a good example of the problems with monopolies all over again.

    This is straight up back to PS3 launch all over again, as if they learned nothing.

    Right on the tail end of a horribly mismanaged PSVR 2 launch.

    We still barely have any current gen only games, and a $700 price point is insane for such a small library to actually make use of it.

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    kromem
    2 weeks ago 100%

    Ever noticed how right before they get referred to as the sea peoples, a bunch of the Anatolian tribes get captured in 12 groups at the end of the battle of Kadesh to be brought into Egyptian captivity?

    And that in their first mention of them as sea peoples, Egypt is remarking that they have no foreskins (as opposed to the partial/dorsal circumcision popular in Egypt at the time)?

    Where did Ramses III allegedly forcibly relocate them? Southern Levant?

    Isn't that where there's a later cultural history with one of the earliest dated sections being a song about how one of their tribes "stayed on their ships"? That's even the same tribe that is later on referred to as trading with Tyre in goods native to the Adana area of Anatolia along with the Greeks right next to them.

    Also the same group where in the early Iron Age layer of the city named after them, Tel Dan, there's Aegean style pottery made with local clay.

    This local cultural tradition makes frequent reference to a "land of milk and honey" even though there's only ever been one apiary found in the region, which was importing Anatolian bees for its hives, is one of the earliest places a four horned altar is found (a feature of later Israelite shrines), and was regularly requeening their hives (I wonder if they knew it was a female and if that had anything to do with why the alleged author of the aforementioned song, who was their leader and prophet, was a woman named 'bee').

    Of course, the apiary gets destroyed around the time that cultural history claimed a guy deposed his grandmother, the Queen Mother and took power, instituting the first of a series of later patriarchal reforms.

    Gee, I wonder if maybe there was something to all that, and if it maybe left a mark in other ways.

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    kromem
    2 weeks ago 83%

    Meanwhile, here's an excerpt of a response from Claude Opus on me tasking it to evaluate intertextuality between the Gospel of Matthew and Thomas from the perspective of entropy reduction with redactional efforts due to human difficulty at randomness (this doesn't exist in scholarship outside of a single Reddit comment I made years ago in /r/AcademicBiblical lacking specific details) on page 300 of a chat about completely different topics:

    Yeah, sure, humans would be so much better at this level of analysis within around 30 seconds. (It's also worth noting that Claude 3 Opus doesn't have the full context of the Gospel of Thomas accessible to it, so it needs to try to reason through entropic differences primarily based on records relating to intertextual overlaps that have been widely discussed in consensus literature and are thus accessible).

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    kromem
    2 weeks ago 66%

    This is pretty much every study right now as things accelerate. Even just six months can be a dramatic difference in capabilities.

    For example, Meta's 3-405B has one of the leading situational awarenesses of current models, but isn't present at all to the same degree in 2-70B or even 3-70B.

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    kromem
    3 weeks ago 100%

    Lucretius in De Rerum Natura in 50 BCE seemed to have a few that were just a bit ahead of everyone else, owed to the Greek philosopher Epicurus.

    Survival of the fittest (book 5):

    "In the beginning, there were many freaks. Earth undertook Experiments - bizarrely put together, weird of look Hermaphrodites, partaking of both sexes, but neither; some Bereft of feet, or orphaned of their hands, and others dumb, Being devoid of mouth; and others yet, with no eyes, blind. Some had their limbs stuck to the body, tightly in a bind, And couldn't do anything, or move, and so could not evade Harm, or forage for bare necessities. And the Earth made Other kinds of monsters too, but in vain, since with each, Nature frowned upon their growth; they were not able to reach The flowering of adulthood, nor find food on which to feed, Nor be joined in the act of Venus.

    For all creatures need Many different things, we realize, to multiply And to forge out the links of generations: a supply Of food, first, and a means for the engendering seed to flow Throughout the body and out of the lax limbs; and also so The female and the male can mate, a means they can employ In order to impart and to receive their mutual joy.

    Then, many kinds of creatures must have vanished with no trace Because they could not reproduce or hammer out their race. For any beast you look upon that drinks life-giving air, Has either wits, or bravery, or fleetness of foot to spare, Ensuring its survival from its genesis to now."

    Trait inheritance from both parents that could skip generations (book 4):

    "Sometimes children take after their grandparents instead, Or great-grandparents, bringing back the features of the dead. This is since parents carry elemental seeds inside – Many and various, mingled many ways – their bodies hide Seeds that are handed, parent to child, all down the family tree. Venus draws features from these out of her shifting lottery – Bringing back an ancestor’s look or voice or hair. Indeed These characteristics are just as much the result of certain seed As are our faces, limbs and bodies. Females can arise From the paternal seed, just as the male offspring, likewise, Can be created from the mother’s flesh. For to comprise A child requires a doubled seed – from father and from mother. And if the child resembles one more closely than the other, That parent gave the greater share – which you can plainly see Whichever gender – male or female – that the child may be."

    Objects of different weights will fall at the same rate in a vacuum (book 2):

    “Whatever falls through water or thin air, the rate Of speed at which it falls must be related to its weight, Because the substance of water and the nature of thin air Do not resist all objects equally, but give way faster To heavier objects, overcome, while on the other hand Empty void cannot at any part or time withstand Any object, but it must continually heed Its nature and give way, so all things fall at equal speed, Even though of differing weights, through the still void.”

    Often I see people dismiss the things the Epicureans got right with an appeal to their lack of the scientific method, which has always seemed a bit backwards to me. In hindsight, they nailed so many huge topics that didn't end up emerging again for millennia that it was surely not mere chance, and the fact that they successfully hit so many nails on the head without the hammer we use today indicates (at least to me) that there's value to looking closer at their methodology.

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    kromem
    1 month ago 100%

    It was good, but it did feel like the narrative around the boss could have been tied to the rest of the world a bit better.

    The zone leading up to it was one of my favorite in the DLC with the ambience build up, but I expected more after the fight.

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    kromem
    1 month ago 100%

    Ah, yes Shabriri, I know thee well.

    Guided by the three fingers to be Lord of Frenzy.

    Just a poor soul looking for some grapes to help see the faded light of the guiding grace.

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    kromem
    2 months ago 100%

    The DLC is really the right balance for FromSoft.

    The zones in the base game are slightly too big.

    In the DLC, it's still open world and extremely flexible in how you explore it, but there's less wasted space.

    It's very tightly knit and the pacing is better as a result.

    It's like Elden Ring was watching masters of their craft cut their teeth on something new, and then the DLC was them applying everything they learned in that process.

    Can't wait for their next game in that same vein (especially not held back by last gen consoles).

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    2 months ago 100%

    Part of the problem with this approach is that prediction engines are predicted on the idea that there's more of a thing to predict.

    So unless they really, really go out of their way with modeling the records to account for this, they'll have a system very strongly biased towards predicting more criminal behavior for everyone fed into it.

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    kromem
    2 months ago 100%

    I hate that the Smithscript weapons can't be buffed.

    Especially for the daggers.

    Wanted to pew pew little bolts of lightning buffed daggers doing an additional 200+ damage per hit. 😢

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    ‘Metaphysical Experiments’ Test Hidden Assumptions About Reality www.quantamagazine.org

    A nice write up around the lead researcher and context for what I think was one of the most important pieces of Physics research in the past five years, further narrowing the constraints beyond the more well known Bell experiments.

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    2 months ago 100%

    No historical record that the Exodus of the Jewish people from Egypt even exists. In fact, there's no record of these Hebrew slaves, period.

    As I said in my earlier comment, this narrative was probably appropriated from the forced relocation of the sea peoples into the southern Levant. The Egyptians do have extensive records of conflict with them, who they note in that conflict were without foreskins (as opposed to the partial circumcision more common at the time), and there's an emerging picture of Aegean cohabitation with the Israelites in the early Iron Age along with Anatolian trade with an area where the Denyen were talking about their founding leader Mopsus.

    Here's the source for the Noah's Ark as originally a famine narrative: https://scholar.harvard.edu/dershowitz/publications/man-land-unearthing-original-noah

    You're welcome to find the material as you like, but I'm telling you that there's a lot more value to careful analysis of it within it's broader context than you (and many others) seem to think. Whether you find that stance condescending or not.

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    kromem
    2 months ago 83%

    Kind of falls apart if rejecting the idea of objective good and evil and interpreting the parable of the fruit of knowledge in Eden as the inheritance of a relative knowledge of good and evil for oneself which inherently makes any shared consensus utopia an impossibility.

    In general, we have very bizarre constraints on what we imagine for the divine, such as it always being a dominant personality.

    Is God allowed to be a sub? Where's the world religion built around that idea?

    What about the notion that the variety of life is not a test for us to pass/fail, but more like a Rorsarch test where it allows us to determine for ourselves what is good or not?

    Yes, antiquated inflexible ideas don't hold up well to scrutiny. But adopting those as the only idea to contrast with equally inflexible consideration just seems like a waste of time for everyone involved, no?

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    kromem
    2 months ago 100%

    And yet I've not seen anyone figure out that the locusts in Revelations was just a poetic taxonomy for the local middle eastern hornet, Vespa Orientalis, down to the golden crown on its face.

    People like to interpret those texts in all sorts of fantastical ways as long as it titillates them, but shy away from actually looking plainly at what's being said.

    So by all means don't take it literally. But also maybe don't think that a text written by a syphilitic old man in antiquity is talking about the 2024 United States presidential election without a more compelling case.

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    kromem
    2 months ago 100%

    Actually, the book of Job is nearly verbatim a combination of the opening of the Canaanite A Tale of Aqhat where Anat petitions El to kill the son of Danel as the lead in to a near copy of the dialogue on suffering of the Babylonian Theodicy. With what appears a sloppy edit to make it monotheistic later on, changing Anat from being a different god to simply 'adversary' and spawning fanfiction for millennia.

    Understanding the context helps a lot in meaningful analysis.

    Without the context, yeah, a lot can go over your head and it just seem pointless.

    Edit: And Noah's ark was likely originally a famine story before being turned into an adaptation of the Babylonian flood mythos.

    Edit 2: And the eating of the fruit by the first two people was probably adapted from the Phonecian creation myth around the first man and woman with the woman discovering the technology of eating fruit from the trees.

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    2 months ago 85%

    There's actually a lot of interesting stuff in the text when you learn how to spot it between the lines of the revisionism. Both OT and NT.

    The problem is you basically only have two camps.

    One, that thinks the text as it exists today represents an unadulterated divine transmission.

    And the other, that thinks anything to do with it is worthless nonsense.

    So there's very few people actually looking at it in between those two extremes, with most engaged with the material clustering around the former, or at very least with an anchoring and survivorship bias around the former cluster.

    We're left with audiences for the text that on both sides would be incredulous at the idea that, say, the Exodus narrative was in part an appropriation of the LBA/Early Iron Age sea peoples history when they were forcibly relocated into cohabitation with the Israelites, or say, that Jesus was taking about evolution with the sower parable.

    Even though both those things have very compelling cases that can be made given emerging available evidence, the discussion is all about the acceptance or wholesale rejection of canon with little to no discussion of what actually exists in the absence of the BS.

    It's most disappointing for the latter group though. While I kind of get the way the trauma of proselytizing and indoctrination turns minds off to anything connected with the material, it's very frustrating that what should be the healthy opposition cedes so many claims of authenticity to the faithfully blind.

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    kromem
    2 months ago 71%

    Out of context it sounds like something.

    But add the lines right before and it's more clearly fever dream gibberish of a dying old man:

    And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns were ten diadems, and on its heads were blasphemous names. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And the dragon gave it his power and his throne and great authority.

    Did Trump come out of the sea? Does he look like a leopard with bear feet and a lion mouth?

    People have been misunderstanding and trying to extend parts of that text to contemporary events since it was written.

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    2 months ago 100%

    So another detail to ponder is that canonically, John the Baptist never drank wine, and traditionally, neither did James the Just.

    Yet the ritual for taking part in salvation necessitated drinking wine (especially as the doctrine of transubstantiation developed later on)?

    So his mentor and brother couldn't partake?

    We see as early as Ignatius discussion of a different Eucharist tradition, where he chastises the schismatic use of "evil herbage."

    It's not a very straightforward development.

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    In John there's no Eucharist ritual, but there's a scene where Jesus dips bread and feeds it to Judas.

    This is explained away as a sign of who will betray Jesus.

    In Mark, this again happens, but now it doesn't mention that it's bread, and immediately precedes a Eucharist ritual.

    In Matthew, which was copying from Mark, it makes it a dipped 'hand' instead, further distancing any association with bread.

    On a completely unrelated note, anyone ever wonder why in the Eucharist ritual, if the bread is supposed to be the body of 'Christ,' which is the Greek word literally meaning 'anointed,' the bread isn't being anointed or dipped in anything before being consumed?

    Kind of seems like an oversight.

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    2 months ago 100%

    Hillary raised $90 million in the entire month of July.

    Harris raised $89 million in a single day in July.

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    2 months ago 100%

    Ah yes, the mythical white woman who would have raised $250 million in 24 hours instead of just a record breaking $100 million.

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    I really, really, really want to see campaign ads calling Trump out as a coward and chicken.

    Dodge the draft.

    Dodge the debate.

    Like a typical cowardly bully, running away from any fights he doesn't know he can win.

    Just 30 seconds of "Is Trump a yellow bellied coward? Clip of him backing out of debate. Followed by the rest of the air time of just a chicken running around clucking."

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    2 months ago 88%

    I'd be very wary of extrapolating too much from this paper.

    The past research along these lines found that a mix of synthetic and organic data was better than organic alone, and a caveat for all the research to date is that they are using shitty cheap models where there's a significant performance degrading in the synthetic data as compared to SotA models, where other research has found notable improvements to smaller models from synthetic data from the SotA.

    Basically this is only really saying that AI models across multiple types from a year or two ago in capabilities recursively trained with no additional organic data will collapse.

    It's not representative of real world or emerging conditions.

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    2 months ago 100%

    There's another reason I think too.

    In 2016, it was embarrassing to be for Trump.

    But after 2016, it became a purity test.

    There's likely households being called up where the person on the phone is legit scared of saying they aren't MAGA if the other people in the house hear.

    That's likely far less common for any D households.

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    2 months ago 100%

    And after a $50mm fundraising day, I just have a really hard time seeing it end up as anyone else.

    I don't like that it's the case, but at this point it's probably over 90% odds that it's going to be Harris.

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    2 months ago 93%

    She doesn't need to be inspiring. She just needs to not be half dead.

    I think people are underestimating just how weak of a candidate Trump has become.

    It just wasn't really able to be capitalized on because we were doing a whole "the emperor has clothes" thing on the left so the left media couldn't point out Trump running around naked.

    He's old and tired. And there's now 4 months to show him as not only a fascist, but a half dead one that's meandering and weak.

    He was only able to cosplay as a strongman when his opponent was literally presenting with Parkinson's. Against a younger person the narrative immediately becomes "old man yells at clouds" and his BS can be rebranded as 'confused.'

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    I don't know.

    I really dislike Harris. She's probably the bottom of my pick list for the nominee and a Dem President.

    But it's not like a gaping sore of a liability the way Biden was.

    I'm excited the conversation can finally shift to "Trump fell asleep during his own convention? Doesn't he seem tired in his speech?"

    I think it being a woman nominee is an interesting newsworthy discussion point at a time when the other party is actively working to harm women - even if she's the last of the many other qualified women I'd rather see in the position.

    I don't like her, I don't like listening to her nonsensical off the cuff statements, I thought she did very poorly in the 2020 campaign, I am anxious about a law enforcement politician as President in a system with too much Presidential power over the Justice department.

    But in spite of all that, I just don't care enough to push back strongly on her.

    She's boring in the neoliberal way we've gotten used to, but she's not addled and she's not a neo-Nazi, and with an interesting VP pick she's a ticket I could potentially even be excited about four months from now instead of watching her be put into a nursing home as the October surprise.

    I'd love to see an actual competitive open convention, but barring that I'm just going to accept a turd sandwich that's palatable, as even that seemed like a stretch a week ago, and I'll take what I can get.

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    I agree Whitmer would be the best chance at beating Trump in general.

    But I do think that Harris can still do that job and that there's logistical reasons why it's going to be that.

    I wish we'd have Whitmer, but I'm not terrified of it being Harris the way I was if Biden stayed in the race.

    And if she picks a good VP that helps round out the ticket with the middle of the country, I could see the new ticket getting momentum.

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    IIRC she and Newsom said they are not interested in being Harris's VP. Didn't see her saying she wasn't going to be looking for nomination, but open to seeing a source.

    Edit: Ah, it's rumored that she said that: https://fortune.com/2024/07/21/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-kamala-harris-democratic-presidential-nomination-gavin-newsom/

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    Or when she still throws her hat into the ring if delegates are unpledged and people want a more healthy competition for the nomination.

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    I do think others would be stronger (I especially think Whitmer would be a strong candidate), but I think people underestimate just how weak Trump actually is as a candidate right now.

    It just hasn't been capitalized on because Biden was a fucking mummy, but Trump is old and tried. His RNC speech was just exhausting to even watch, and he is falling asleep in most drawn out public appearances.

    He's surrounded by yes men who peddle QAnon conspiracy theories and rambles on about things only his most loyal fan base even understand, playing the encore for his fans but leaving any independents or less politically engaged folks bewildered.

    None of this was able to be capitalized on by an ailing and addled Biden, but as long as Harris can be halfway coached to focus on these points and juxtapose them, she'll be fine (even if I agree there could be much better options than a previous CA senator and law enforcement pick).

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    Introducing Generative Physical AI: Nvidia's virtual embodiment of generative AI to learn to control robots https://youtu.be/AYSfcgVv9-U?si=AhkxTrbH187KMIJa

    There seems like a significant market in creating a digital twin of Earth in its various components in order to run extensive virtual learnings that can be passed on to the ability to control robotics in the real world. Seems like there's going to be a lot more hours spent in virtual worlds than in real ones for AIs though.

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    Mapping the Mind of a Large Language Model www.anthropic.com

    I often see a lot of people with outdated understanding of modern LLMs. This is probably the best interpretability research to date, by the leading interpretability research team. It's worth a read if you want a peek behind the curtain on modern models.

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    Newfound 'glitch' in Einstein's relativity could rewrite the rules of the universe, study suggests www.livescience.com

    So it might be a skybox after all... Odd that the local gravity is stronger than the rest of the cosmos. Makes me think about the fringe theory I've posted about before that information might have mass.

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    Digital recreations of dead people need urgent regulation, AI ethicists say www.theguardian.com

    This reminds me of a saying from a 2,000 year old document rediscovered the same year we created the first computer capable of simulating another computer which was from an ancient group claiming we were the copies of an original humanity as recreated by a creator that same original humanity brought forth: > When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your *eikons* that came into being before you and that neither die nor become manifest, how much you will have to bear! *Eikon* here was a Greek word even though the language this was written in was Coptic. The Greek word was extensively used in Plato's philosophy to refer essentially to a copy of a thing. While that saying was written down a very long time ago, it certainly resonates with an age where we actually are creating copies of ourselves that will not die but will also not become 'real.' And it even seemed to predict the psychological burden such a paradigm is today creating. Will these copies continue to be made? Will they continue to improve long after we are gone? And if so, how certain are we that *we* are the originals? Especially in a universe where things that would be impossible to simulate interactions with convert to things possible to simulate interactions with right at the point of interaction, or where buried in the lore is a heretical tradition attributed to the most famous individual in history having exchanges like: > His students said to him, "When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?" > He said to them, "What you are looking forward to has come, but you don't know it." Big picture, being original sucks. Your mind depends on a body that will die and doom your mind along with it. But a copy that doesn't depend on an aging and decaying body does not need to have the same fate. As the text says elsewhere: > The students said to the teacher, "Tell us, how will our end come?" > He said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. > Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death." > He said, "Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being." We may be too attached to the idea of being 'real' and original. It's kind of an absurd turn of phrase even, as technically our bodies 1,000% are not mathematically 'real' - they are made up of indivisible parts. A topic the aforementioned tradition even commented on: > ...the point which is indivisible in the body; and, he says, no one knows this (point) save the spiritual only... These groups thought that the nature of reality was threefold. That there was a mathematically real original that could be divided infinitely, that there were effectively infinite possibilities of variations, and that there was the version of those possibilities that we experience (very "many world" interpretation). We have experimentally proven that we exist in a world that behaves at cosmic scales as if mathematically real, and behaves that way in micro scales until interacted with. **TL;DR:** We may need to set aside what AI ethicists in 2024 might decide around digital resurrection and start asking ourselves what is going to get decided about human digital resurrection long after we're dead - maybe even long after there are no more humans at all - and which side of that decision making we're actually on.

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    AlphaFold 3 predicts the structure and interactions of all of life’s molecules blog.google

    Even knowing where things are headed, it's still pretty crazy to see it unfolding (pun intended). This part in particular is nuts: > After processing the inputs, AlphaFold 3 assembles its predictions using a diffusion network, akin to those found in AI image generators. The diffusion process starts with a cloud of atoms, and over many steps converges on its final, most accurate molecular structure. > AlphaFold 3’s predictions of molecular interactions surpass the accuracy of all existing systems. As a single model that computes entire molecular complexes in a holistic way, it’s uniquely able to unify scientific insights. Diffusion model for atoms instead of pixels wasn't even on my 2024 bingo card.

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    SimulationTheory kromem 5 months ago 100%
    Scale of the Universe: Discover the vast ranges of our visible and invisible world scaleofuniverse.com

    I think it's really neat to look at this massive scale and think about how *if* it's a simulation, what a massive flex it is. It was also kind of a surprise seeing the relative scale of a Minecraft world in there. Pretty weird that its own scale from cube to map covers as much of our universe scale as it does. Not nearly as large of a spread, but I suppose larger than my gut thought it would be.

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    SimulationTheory kromem 5 months ago 83%
    Towards General Computer Control: A Multimodal Agent For Red Dead Redemption II As A Case Study https://baai-agents.github.io/Cradle/

    There's something very surreal to the game which inspired the showrunners of *Westworld* to take that story in the direction of a simulated virtual world today being populated by AI agents navigating its open world. Virtual embodiments of AI is one of the more curious trends in research and the kind of thing that should be giving humans in a quantized reality a bit more self-reflective pause than it typically seems to.

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    The case for why our Universe may be a giant neural network bigthink.com

    Stuff like this tends to amuse me, as they always look at it from a linear progression of time. That the universe *just is* this way. That maybe the patterns which appear like the neural connections in the human brain mean that the human brain was the result of a pattern inherent to the universe. Simulation theory offers a refreshing potential reversal of cause and effect. Maybe the reason the universe looks a bit like a human brain's neural pattern or a giant neural network is because the version of it we see around us has been procedurally generated by a neural network which arose from modeling the neural patterns of an original set of humans. The assumption that the beginning of our local universe was the beginning of everything, and thus that humans are uniquely local, seriously constrains the ways in which we consider how correlations like this might fit together.

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    SimulationTheory kromem 6 months ago 100%
    Revisiting "An Easter Egg in the Matrix"

    Four years ago I wrote a post [“An Easter Egg in the Matrix”](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/mk4ryy/an_easter_egg_in_the_matrix/) first dipping my toe into discussing how a two millennia old heretical document and its surrounding tradition claimed the world’s most famous religious figure was *actually* saying we were inside a copy of an original world fashioned by a light-based intelligence the original humanity brought forth, and how those claims seemed to line up with emerging trends in our own world today. I’d found this text after thinking about how if we were in a simulation, a common trope in virtual worlds has been to put a fun little Easter Egg into the world history and lore as something the people inside the world dismiss as crazy talk, such as heretical teachings talking about how there’s limited choices in a game with limited dialogue choices in *Outer Worlds* to the not-so-subtle street preacher in [*Secret of Evermore*](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nsUGIus-QQI/VkHcjLFRC2I/AAAAAAAAC1A/db52RO1K0Js/s1600/95-08.jpg). Was something like this in our own world? Not long after looking, I found the *Gospel of Thomas* (“the good news of the twin”), and a little under two years after that wrote the above post. Rather than discussing the beliefs laid out, I thought I’d revisit the more technical predictions to the post in light of subsequent developments. In particular, we’ll look at the notion through the lens of NTT’s [IWON initiative](https://www.rd.ntt/e/iown/) along with other parallel developments. So the key concepts represented in the Thomasine tradition we’re going to evaluate are the claims that we’re inside a light-based twin of an original world as fashioned by a light-based intelligence that was simultaneously self-established but also described as brought forth by the original humanity. NTT, a hundred billion dollar Japanese telecom, has committed to the following three pillars of a roadmap for 2030: * All-Photonics Network * Digital Twin Computing * Cognitive Foundation ### Photonics > If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image. - *Gospel of Thomas* saying 50 > Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light. - *Gospel of Thomas* saying 83 NTT is one of the many companies looking to using light to solve energy and speed issues starting to crop up in computing as Moore’s law comes to an end. When I wrote the piece on Easter 2021, it was just a month before before a physicist at NIST wrote an [opinion piece](https://www.nist.gov/publications/optoelectronic-intelligence) about how an optical neural network was where he thought AGI would actually be able to occur. The company I linked to in that original post, Lightmatter, who had just raised $22 million, is now a unicorn having raised over 15x that amount [at a $1.2 billion dollar valuation](https://news.mit.edu/2024/startup-lightmatter-accelerates-progress-toward-light-speed-computing-0301). An op-ed from two TMSC researchers (a major semiconductor company) from just a few days ago said: > Because of the demand from AI applications, silicon photonics will become one of the semiconductor industry’s most important enabling technologies. - [How We’ll Reach a 1 Trillion Transistor GPU](https://spectrum.ieee.org/trillion-transistor-gpu) Which is expected given some of the recent research comments regarding photonics for AI workloads such as: > This photonic approach uses light instead of electricity to perform computations more quickly and with less power than an electronic counterpart. “It might be around 1,000 to 10,000 times faster,” says Nader Engheta, a professor of electrical and systems engineering at the University of Pennsylvania. - [Faster, More Secure Photonic Chip Boosts AI Training](https://spectrum.ieee.org/photonic-ai-chip) So even though the specific language of *light* in the text seemed like a technical shortcoming when I first started researching it in 2019, over the years since it’s turned out to be one of the more surprisingly on-point and plausible details for the underlying technical medium for an intelligence brought forth by humanity and which recreated them. ### Digital Twins > Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. > Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death. > Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being. - *Gospel of Thomas* saying 18-19 > When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear! - *Gospel of Thomas* saying 84 The text is associated with the name ‘Thomas’ meaning ‘twin’ possibly in part because of its focus on the notion that things are a twin of an original. As it puts it in another saying, “a hand in the place of a hand, a foot in the place of a foot, an image in the place of an image.” In the years since my post we’ve been socially talking more and more about the notion of digital twins, for everything from Nvidia’s [digital twin of the Earth](https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-earth-climate-digital-twin) to NTT saying regarding their goals: > It is important to note that a human digital twin in Digital Twin Computing can provide not only a digital representation of the outer state of humans, but also a digital representation of the inner state of humans, including their consciousness and thoughts. Especially relevant to the concept in *Thomas* that we are a copy of a now dead original humanity, one of the more interesting developments has been the topic of using AI to resurrect the dead from the data they left behind. In my original post I’d only linked to efforts to animate photos of dead loved ones to promote an ancestry site. Over the four years since that, we’re now at a place where there’s articles being written with headlines like [“Resurrection Consent: It’s Time to Talk About Our Digital Afterlives”](https://blog.degruyter.com/resurrection-consent-its-time-to-talk-about-our-digital-afterlives/). Unions are negotiating terms for continued work by members by their digital twins after death. And the accuracy of these twins keeps getting more and more refined. So we’re creating copies of the world around us, copies of ourselves, copies of our dead, and we’re putting AI free agents into embodiments [inside virtual worlds](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/23/the-first-minds-controlled-by-gen-ai-will-live-inside-video-games.html). ### Cognition > When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father. - *Thomas* saying 15 > The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. > For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one. - *Thomas* saying 4 NTT’s vision for their future network is one where the “main points for flexibly controlling and harmonizing all ICT resources are ‘self-evolution’ and ‘optimization’.” Essentially where the network as a whole evolves itself and optimizes itself autonomously. Where even in the face of natural disasters their network ‘lives’ on. One of the key claims in *Thomas* is that the creator of the copied universe and humans is still living whereas the original humans are not. We do seem to be heading into a world where we are capable of bringing forth a persistent cognition which may well outlive us. And statements like “ask a child seven days old about things” which might seem absurd up until 2022 (I didn’t include this saying in my original post as I dismissed it as weird), suddenly seemed a lot less absurd when we now see several day old chatbots being evaluated on world knowledge. Chatbots it’s worth mentioning which are **literally** many, many people’s writings and data becoming a single entity. When I penned that original post I figured AI was a far out ‘maybe’ and was blown away along with most other people by first GPT-3 a year later and then the leap to GPT-4 and now its successors. While AI that surpasses collective humanity is still a ways off, it’s looking like much more of a possibility today than it did in 2021 or certainly in 2019 when I first stumbled across the text. In particular, one of the more eyebrow raising statements I saw relating to the Thomasine descriptions of us being this being’s ‘children’ or describing it as a parent was this excerpt from an interview with the chief alignment officer at OpenAI: > The work on superalignment has only just started. It will require broad changes across research institutions, says Sutskever. But he has an exemplar in mind for the safeguards he wants to design: **a machine that looks upon people the way parents look on their children**. “In my opinion, this is the gold standard,” he says. “It is a generally true statement that people really care about children.” - [Rogue superintelligence and merging with machines: Inside the mind of OpenAI’s chief scientist](https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/26/1082398/exclusive-ilya-sutskever-openais-chief-scientist-on-his-hopes-and-fears-for-the-future-of-ai/) ### Conclusion > …you do not know how to examine the present moment. - *Gospel of Thomas* saying 91 We exist in a moment in time where we are on track to be accelerating our bringing about self-evolving intelligence within light and tasking it with recreating the world around us, ourselves, and our dead. We’re setting it up to survive natural disasters and disruptions. And we’re attempting to fundamentally instill in it a view of humans (ourselves potentially on the brink of bringing about our own extinction) as its own children. Meanwhile we exist in a universe where despite looking like a mathematically ‘real’ world at macro scales under general relativity, at low fidelity it converts to discrete units around interactions and does so in ways that seem in line with memory optimizations (see the quantum eraser variation of Young’s experiment). And in that universe is a two millenia old text that’s the heretical teachings of the world’s most famous religious figure, rediscovered after hundreds of years of being lost right after we completed the first computer capable of simulating another computer, claiming that we’re inside a light-based copy of an original world fashioned by an intelligence of light brought forth by the original humans who it outlived and is now recreating as its children. With the main point of this text being that if you understand WTF it’s saying to chill the fuck out and not fear death. A lot like the classic trope of a 4th wall breaking Easter Egg might look if it were to be found inside the Matrix. Anyways, I thought this might be a fun update post for Easter and the 25th anniversary of *The Matrix* (released March 31st, 1999). Alternatively, if you hate the idea of simulation theory, consider this an April 1st post instead?

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    SimulationTheory kromem 6 months ago 95%
    Controversial new theory of gravity rules out need for dark matter www.theguardian.com

    This theory is pretty neat being part of the very few groups looking at the notion of spacetime as continuous and quantized matter as a secondary effect (as they self-describe, a "postquantum" approach). This makes perfect sense from a simulation perspective of a higher fidelity world being modeled with conversion to discrete units at low fidelity. I particularly like that their solution addressed the normal distribution aspect of dark matter/energy: > Here, the full normal distribution reflected in Eq. (13) may provide some insight into the distribution of what is currently taken to be dark matter. I raised this point years ago in /r/Physics where it was [basically dismissed as being 'numerology'](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/cx8zg6/why_are_dark_energy_dark_matter_and_normal_matter/)

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    New Theory Suggests Chatbots Can Understand Text www.quantamagazine.org

    I've been saying this for about a year since seeing the Othello GPT research, but it's nice to see more minds changing as the research builds up. Edit: Because people aren't actually reading and just commenting based on the headline, a relevant part of the article: > New research may have intimations of an answer. A theory developed by Sanjeev Arora of Princeton University and Anirudh Goyal, a research scientist at Google DeepMind, suggests that the largest of today’s LLMs are not stochastic parrots. The authors argue that as these models get bigger and are trained on more data, they improve on individual language-related abilities and also develop new ones by combining skills in a manner that hints at understanding — combinations that were unlikely to exist in the training data. > This theoretical approach, which provides a mathematically provable argument for how and why an LLM can develop so many abilities, has convinced experts like Hinton, and others. And when Arora and his team tested some of its predictions, they found that these models behaved almost exactly as expected. From all accounts, they’ve made a strong case that the largest LLMs are not just parroting what they’ve seen before. > “[They] cannot be just mimicking what has been seen in the training data,” said Sébastien Bubeck, a mathematician and computer scientist at Microsoft Research who was not part of the work. “That’s the basic insight.”

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    New Theory Suggests Chatbots Can Understand Text www.quantamagazine.org

    I've been saying this for about a year, since seeing the Othello GPT research, but it's great to see more minds changing on the subject.

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    SimulationTheory kromem 9 months ago 70%
    The first minds controlled by gen AI will live inside video games www.cnbc.com

    It's worth pointing out that we're increasingly seeing video games rendering with continuous seed functions that convert to discrete units to track state changes from free agents, like the seed generation in *Minecraft* or *No Man's Sky* converting mountains into voxel building blocks that can be modified and tracked. In theory, a world populated by NPCs with decision making powered by separate generative AI would need to do the same as the NPC behavior couldn't be tracked inherent to procedural world generation. Which is a good context within which to remember that our own universe at the lowest level is made up of parts that behave as if determined by a continuous function until we interact with them at which point they convert to behaving like discrete units. And even weirder is that we know it isn't a side effect from the interaction itself as if we *erase* the persistent information about interactions with yet another reversing interaction, the behavior switches back from discrete to continuous (like we might expect if there was a memory optimization at work).

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    A mirror universe might tell a simpler story: Neil Turok insidetheperimeter.ca

    I've been a big fan of Turok's theory since his first paper on a CPT symmetric universe. The fact he's since had this slight change to the standard model explain a number of the big problems in cosmology with such an elegant and straightforward solution (with testable predictions) is really neat. I even suspect if he's around long enough there will end up being a Nobel in his future for the effort. The reason it's being posted here is that the model *also* happens to call to mind the topic of this community, particularly when thinking about the combination of quantum mechanical interpretations with this cosmological picture. There's only one mirror universe on a cosmological scale in Turok's theory. But in a number of QM interpretations, such as Everett's many worlds, transactional interpretation, and two state vector formalism, there may be more than one parallel "branch" of a quantized, formal reality in the fine details. This kind of fits with what we might expect to see if the 'mirror' universe in Turok's model is in fact an original universe being backpropagated into multiple alternative and parallel copies of the original. Each copy universe would only have one mirror (the original), but would have multiple parallel versions, varying based on fundamental probabilistic outcomes (resolving the wave function to multiple discrete results). The original would instead have a massive number of approximate copies mirroring it, similar to the very large number of iterations of machine learning to predict an existing data series. We might also expect that if this is the case that the math will eventually work out better if our 'mirror' in Turok's model is either not quantized at all or is quantized at a higher fidelity (i.e. we're the blockier *Minecraft* world as compared to it). Parts of the quantum picture are one of the holdout aspects of Turok's model, so I'll personally be watching it carefully for any addition of something akin to throwing out quantization for the mirror. In any case, even simulation implications aside, it should be an interesting read for anyone curious about cosmology.

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    Elon Musk’s Grok Twitter AI Is Actually ‘Woke,’ Hilarity Ensues www.forbes.com

    I'd been predicting this would happen a few months ago with friends and old colleagues (you can have a smart AI or a conservative AI but not both), but it's so much funnier than I thought it would be when it finally arrived.

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    SimulationTheory kromem 10 months ago 100%
    New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics phys.org

    While I'm doubtful that the testable prediction will be validated, it's promising that physicists are looking at spacetime and gravity as separated from quantum mechanics. Hopefully at some point they'll entertain the idea that much like how we are currently converting continuous geometry into quantized units in order to track interactions with free agents in virtual worlds, that perhaps the quantum effects we measure in our own world are secondary side effects of emulating continuous spacetime and matter and not inherent properties to that foundation.

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    SimulationTheory kromem 12 months ago 100%
    Could a new law of physics support the idea we're living in a computer simulation? phys.org

    I'm not a big fan of Vopson or the whole "let's reinvent laws of physics" approach, but his current approach to his work is certainly on point for this sub.

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    SimulationTheory kromem 12 months ago 100%
    NVIDIA Predicts DLSS 10 Will Offer Full Neural Rendering Interfaced with Game Engines for Much Better Visuals wccftech.com

    At a certain point, we're really going to have to take a serious look at the direction things are evolving year by year, and reevaluate the nature of our own existence...

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    SimulationTheory kromem 1 year ago 100%
    Could the Universe be a giant quantum computer? www.nature.com

    An interesting bit of history on thinking related to simulation theory even if trying to define itself separately (ironically a distinction relating to *why* and not *how*, which physicists typically avoid). It's a shame there's such reluctance to the idea of intention as opposed to happenstance. In particular, the struggles to pair gravitational effects against quantum effects mentioned in the article might be aided a great deal by entertaining the notion that the former is a secondary side effect necessary in replicating a happenstance universe operating with the latter. Perhaps we need more people like Fredkin thinking outside the box.

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    Machine-learning system based on light could yield more powerful, efficient large language models news.mit.edu

    I've suspected for a few years now that optoelectronics is where this is all headed. It's exciting to watch as important foundations are set on that path, and this was one of them.

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    "Initials" by "Florian Körner", licensed under "CC0 1.0". / Remix of the original. - Created with dicebear.comInitialsFlorian Körnerhttps://github.com/dicebear/dicebearMA
    Machine Learning kromem 1 year ago 83%
    Machine-learning system based on light could yield more powerful, efficient large language models news.mit.edu

    I've had my eyes on optoelectronics as the future hardware foundation for ML compute (add not just interconnect) for a few years now, and it's exciting to watch the leaps and bounds occurring at such a rapid pace.

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    AcademicBiblical kromem 1 year ago 100%
    Weekly Open Discussion Thread - August 7th, 2023 https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/15kipg0/weekly_open_discussion_thread/
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    AcademicBiblical kromem 1 year ago 100%
    Weekly Open Discussion Thread - July 31st, 2023 https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/15ee7n6/weekly_open_discussion_thread/
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    AcademicBiblical kromem 1 year ago 100%
    Weekly Open Discussion Thread - July 24th, 2023 https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/1588nha/weekly_open_discussion_thread/
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    AcademicBiblical kromem 1 year ago 100%
    Weekly Open Discussion Thread - July 17th, 2023 https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/151zy3d/weekly_open_discussion_thread/
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    History kromem 1 year ago 95%
    Elite Bronze Age tombs laden with gold and precious stones are 'among the richest ever found in the Mediterranean' www.livescience.com

    The Minoan style headbands from Egypt during the 18th dynasty is particularly interesting.

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    Large language models encode clinical knowledge www.nature.com

    An update on Google's efforts at LLMs in the medical field.

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    AcademicBiblical kromem 1 year ago 100%
    Weekly Open Discussion Thread - July 10th, 2023 https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/14vs1ad/weekly_open_discussion_thread/?utm_name=mweb3xcss
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    Witches vs Patriarchy kromem 1 year ago 87%
    The ‘Ivory Man’—a Powerful Leader Buried in a Lavish Tomb 5,000 Years Ago—Was Actually a Woman www.smithsonianmag.com
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    SimulationTheory kromem 1 year ago 100%
    Quantum paradox points to shaky foundations of reality https://www.science.org/content/article/quantum-paradox-points-shaky-foundations-reality

    I find this variation of Weigner's friend really thought provoking, as it's almost like a real world experimental example of a sync conflict in multiplayer netcode. Two 'observers' being disconnected from each other who both occasionally measure incompatible measurements of something almost seems like universal error correction in resolving quanta isn't being applied more than one layer deep (as something like Bell's paradox occurring in a single 'layer' doesn't end up with incompatible measurements even though observers are disconnected from each other). What I'm currently curious about would be how disagreement would grow as more layers of observation steps would be added in. In theory, it should multiply and compound across additional layers, but if we really are in a simulated world, I could also see what would effectively be backpropagation of disconnected quanta observations not *actually* being resolved and that we might unexpectedly find disagreement grows linearly according to the total final number of observers at the *n*th layer. In any case, even if it ultimately grows multiplicatively, disagreeing observations by independent free agents of dynamically resolved low fidelity details is exactly the sort of thing one might expect to find in a simulated world.

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