For those who just want to click the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-streamed_artists_on_Spotify

Even as a first-time user, you'll figure it our rather quickly, no worries. It's not rocket science, just an option to toggle that allows you to install more modern versions of apps in an isolated mode.

But if we only look at regular installs, your software will stay at the same version until Debian 13 is rolled out, likely in summer 2025. Do not expect any large updates at all until then.

I see, thanks for sharing!

Yep, true. But currently, I don't see much point in LMDE, as Debian 12 is user-friendly enough as it is - though you're free to disagree.

Yes, there are notifications. Be aware that, unless you use Flatpaks again, you'll not have many functional updates - mostly just security. That's just the way of Debian - keeping you on the same software for 2+ years in the name of stability. Unless you use Debian Testing, that is.

Yeah, I am aware of some of those controversies, and they sure are unfortunate!

However, it's really, really hard to find a well-supported distro free of controversies. Still doesn't excuse Manjaro on that front.

I personally did not test Arch for such a long time, but what I had I certainly didn't like. Also, full barebones approach is not for me, and more of an enthusiast kind of thing. So, to each their own indeed!

I see!

Thanks! I see

As someone mildly interested in OpenSUSE and currently on an Arch-based distro, how much do you miss AUR? Or do you use Distrobox?

Good choice! Running it on my laptop.

Debian 12 is solid and much more user-friendly compared to previous editions.

Expect the software to age without updates, though, or rely on Flatpaks/Distrobox for what you need to be fresh.

Arch is unstable and time-consuming to maintain, and should never be reasonably used as anything but upstream for something usable, you're wrong!

Jk, you do you :)

Why Void? What are the advantages?

From what I've gathered, its "do it all from scratch" approach entails a steep learning curve, and I wonder what one would get into it for.

Whichever one you choose is the right one!

Why having two Ubuntu-based distros on a dual boot, if I may ask? Matter of whatever visual preference you now have?

Literally the most suggested newbie distro, so you're probably fine :)

Like, ideologically I may mention it's Ubuntu-based so it sucks, but from end user perspective, it's alright.

Doubling down on literacy, Linux guides are either "here's how to do that absolutely basic thing" or "using veheydgvrl for quantumschropping the badumbliss". To me, Mental Outlaw produced quite some simple guides (warning: most vids are rants so you'll have to search for actual guides), Veronica Explains might be the fun option and not bloated with anything but tech, and just searching for solutions to whatever your issue is before you grasp how it works.

Lol, fair, fair! :D

But really, I just see no point for myself when there's Debian 12 already. I've always seen LMDE as a backup of sorts, so that the community would remain should Ubuntu really screw it for everyone. Or if you're Cinnamon maximalist, they have everything as polished as possible for that (but generally you can easily have Cinnamon on mainline Debian)

I myself am KDE fanboy, though :)

Normally when people hear Manjaro, hell breaks loose :D

Apparently folks here are a lot more chill about it

Trying to run a Shadowsocks VPN service, installing Wine in a way that properly integrates with a system (I guess not an issue with Bazzite), Distrobox containers failing, etc.

While trying to do the former, I also accidentally made Aurora literally not load into a DE in either ostree root.

The fact that it adds too little to Arch to be seen as a separate entity. And I don't want to run mainline Arch. It requires too much maintenance to work with it properly, and every update is a bit of a gamble on what's gonna break next - unless you spend solid time reading notes to every update.

Lol

See Ubuntu and derivatives

Ooookay, this will get controversial.

Proud Manjaro/Debian user!

• Ubuntu and derivatives suck because of Canonical and their practices
• Fedora sucks because of Red Hat
• OpenSUSE sucks because RPM (why?!) and still SUSE (but they're the best of the three)
• Rest is exotic and obscure

So we end up with Arch and Debian. Debian 12 is good enough as is, and runs on a work laptop where I don't care about anything but stability. Arch is respectable and great, but requires excessive maintenance to work properly. Among its derivatives, Endeavour is just a nicer archinstall (so, why?), Garuda is cool but unstable and too gamer'y, Manjaro is a bit problematic at times but generally the safest bet when it comes to Arch. So, when it comes to my main PC doubling as a gaming rig, this is a no-brainer.

Ran Aurora that is also based on Fedora Kinoite, just as Bazzite.

The world is seriously not ready for atomic distros. SO many workarounds to make basic things it's insane.

Piterskii Punk (Russian: Питерский панк) posts drawings in VK social network. Of course, in Russian

https://vk.com/piterskii_punk_wall

That's in response to OP's text

P.S. Oh, wait, it's in the comic, lol. Looks like we both are not quite attentive :D

Yes, homeless are normally forcefully pushed out of wealthy areas, because they interrupt scenic views of places where the wealthy isolate themselves from the horrors they cause.

And shelters should be funded on the federal level, from a progressive tax, not by municipalities.

"Other people's money" of the rich is most commonly the surplus value, i.e. our money that were taken away.

But without going into semantics, most people live in financial conditions that don't allow them to be so generous, or else they risk losing everything themselves. Those holding billions will not suffer much spending large money supporting the poor. It's just not correct to draw parralels.

If I'll give enough money for someone to live through a week, I'll be left broke and won't be able to pay my rent and food. If Elon Musk would do the same, he wouldn't even notice.

Only to get closer to that yourself? Endebted and on a brink of bankruptcy?

Those who have wealth should be first in the line. They won't have to risk losing everything.

In Russia, certain groups of kids (children of low-income parents, of families with 3+ kids, orphans) receive a special ticket, one per day, allowing them to have a school lunch for free.

Sometimes they share unused ones (tickets don't have names on them), which practically guarantees there's a bunch of kids on their side - everyone wants free lunch.

And generally it was more of a thing to flash, not something to be shamed for.

Yes, I heard they put electrons through them and they take the shape of @!

They then go through the tube to the destination very quickly!

I'd feel perfectly safe locked in a room with Pavel Durov

(potentially local joke, idk if it's actually known outside Russia)

What is an instance, anyway?

Some people go as far as to use a tool similar to the one mounted on the front cart to extract their money and still not return the cart they took.

Ignoring or shrugging off shit people say about you may actually not be a viable long-term strategy.

Contrary to what many of us have been taught, this actually allows others to reinforce their views about you inside their echo chambers.

That's not to mention it's simply not great to hear that stuff said about you or the group you care about, and the longer this drags on, the more toxicity, alienation, and spite inevitably accumulates. None of us are immune to this, and it's not insane to be hostile to those who are hostile to you.

Time zones,

No, you can't just have them!

To me, those moments of sharing joy through food are way more important than all fries in the world :3

With that said, think ahead and order more than you plan to eat! Outplay her!

On points of audio quality - wired $130 headphones will sound even better, due to cheaper technology allowing to place better components, not having to install local (probably crappy) DAC, and due to wireless audio being lossy, even with aptX.

Heh

Not a Hexbear member, though. Generally, Lemmy is heavily left-leaning.

Yes! The latter part of what you say explains exactly to me why liberals cannot be the center.

Being "for the people" is more of a show here, while they are funded and act in the interest of businesses. When people do demand change that goes against capitalists, they will play everything to keep the spectacle while clearly not choosing people's side. Often times, they don't even give concessions - just pretend internal struggles stopped them from implementing the changes. And at the same time, this doesn't break the logic of liberalism.

My apologies. I previously didn't see you in civil conversations, while meeting you in your rainy ways twice before, and I could be too quick to conclude. Lemmy is flooded with that kind of stuff lately, which turns brain into a razor mode as a way of protecting against an artificial hate wave.

If you'd like to politely discuss anything, I'm all for it.

Generally, it is the fact that right-wing entails focus on businesses and private property owners, and left-wing entails direct focus on the economic wellbeing of everyone and a more egalitarian society. Liberals do not strike a meaningful balance here, and commonly see business freedoms as paramount to building a prosperous society, generally pursuing business-friendly policies.

In more extreme cases of the political spectrum (which I agree for in terms of clarity and fairness, but which are not really a consensus) left-wing is seen as actual socialism (i.e. collectively/socially owned enterprises) and right-wing is capitalism (i.e. private property and its operation for profit). This makes a useful and clear distinction in relation to economic policy and is not dictated by the hegemony of one option. It also makes centrism virtually impossible, which is good, because the meaning of "center" drifts radically between cultures, and most people tend to just associate with whatever is predominant in their culture while calling themselves such.

Here is how voters of neighboring Canada have put themselves on a political compass, on average, in relation to their party of choice during the 2019 election. Note that liberals are very much not in the center, and more right-wing, while conservatives as well as People's party (don't look at the name, it's seen as far right even by American metrics), predictably, are extremely authoritarian-right.

P.S. Sorry for being a bit rash :)

Which I would certainly engage in if I wouldn't remember you personally as a troll who cares little of civility.

If someone else is up for debating it, I'm always here.

Also, one thing you genuinely caught me on is a bit of an emotional outburst, while I generally am the one picking civility card. Good job! I do apologize for that part.

The coordinates are heavily skewed and likely to either be formed in a right-wing society or intentionally made as to confuse people.