I like shorts! They're comfy and easy to wear!

How are we gonna destroy Ted Cruz's beard?

It's also a fake accent. He absolutely did not talk like that earlier in his career.

Are you going to back up ANYTHING you say?

1. How does the election result in neither the Democrat or Republican nominee winning? If your 3rd party vote isn't helping one of those two parties, there must be another possible outcome. Just give us one. One single realistic alternative outcome.

2. Assuming you can't handle #1 (which I'm pretty sure you can't without resorting to fantasy), how does a vote for the "right wing authoritarian" Democrat help the GOP MORE than a vote for a 3rd party when there are 2 possible outcomes?

If you can answer for either of these giant gaping holes in your logic I will be astounded. I'll let you answer but I think I'm done with this thread. Have a good night!

If you think the GOP and the Democratic Party are equal threats that's an opinion you are welcome to hold.

I find that view to be completely asinine and at odds with reality but you do you. That doesn't change the end result of your actions if you don't vote or vote 3rd party: you're supporting the GOP.

I truly don't care why you choose to vote the way you do. I just want you and everyone on earth to know the results of your actions, support for the GOP.

So she's going to have to do something so publicly outrageous that it can't be ignored

Like ignoring precedent to dismiss the case and seemingly claim that special counsels are unconstitutional?

Do Republicans really hate America this much?

Yes. Absolutely. They despise all of the best aspects of America and longingly cherish our worst histories.

They want to punish Democrats more than they want to stop the GOP. These people are willing to let Trump erase Gaza in order to say "we told you so!" to the Democrats. They don't give a shit how many more people are harmed as long as they feel like they stuck it to somebody in the voting booth.

"What are you talking about? I'm just innocently posting things I find interesting. How dare you assume my intentions!

Now I'll continue doing the exact same thing and act surprised every time I'm called out."

There ya go OP. Saved you some time. We know you're incredibly busy.

You are the authority on what you do. You don't get to ignore the results because you don't want to take responsibility. You've declared your actions, I've explained the results.

Honestly this has gone in a circle long enough. We're not going to get anywhere if you dont want to provide any kind of evidence/reasoning and basely accuse me of lying. I do appreciate you assisting illustrate a valuable point about how hollow the 3rd party justification is though. Have a nice day!

My USB cables exist in a quantum superposition where the orientation of the male end is only determined after I fail to plug it in on the first try.

And yet when you look at this from the perspective of voting in the general election, everyone is going to support one of them regardless. Unless you can explain how a 3rd party will realistically win the election or how the GOP winning is beneficial. Why can't you explain that?

So again, why do you want to support the GOP over the Democrats?

Calling me out would suggest you've provided some evidence that I'm lying, despite just having my reasoning clearly laid out. Reasoning that you've provided no alternative to outside of "you're lying".

So where's this call out? Explain to us how there aren't 2 possible winners of the election in our FPTP system.

::: spoiler Spoiler We're going back to "Not Uh!" :::

It's a pretty simple concept and the only response is usually "not uh!"

Just so everyone else is aware, we're now here.

You're still ignoring the realities of FPTP voting. There is precisely one way to effectively "vote against" the GOP during the general election and you seem to be advocating against it.

Explain to me how Gaza gets better if Trump wins. Or literally any issue. Even if the loss magically created a huge shift in the Democratic leadership that echoed throughout the caucus and they go all in on every progressive policy we could possibly want. Let's say they make Rashida Tlaib minority leader. Let's say every single Democrat now supports a full embargo of Israel until they cease all hostilities. Lets say every Democrat now supports whatever policy you want. How does any of that help once the government is fully controlled by fascists that will literally make it impossible for the now Super Progressive Democratic Party to ever get back in power and do those things?

If your justification for supporting the GOP is that the Democrats haven't done enough on Gaza that's fine. I just question the logic.

I will take responsibility for enabling one of the two genocide enablers that I can choose from, yes. I am choosing to enable the one that contains a modicum of dissention from the status quo vs the one that wants to wipe Gaza from the map entirely.

Why would you want to enable the party that wants even more genocide than the Democrats do?

Either way, this dude has serious "don't fuck with me" vibes.

Your motivations can be whatever you want. You just don't get to absolve yourself of responsibility for the results of your actions. I think that's a fair position.

Non/3rd party votes make it easier for the SMALLER party to win, and that happens to be the GOP here. This is just how FPTP voting works.

There are two possible outcomes, how could your actions not benefit one of the two possible winners?

I get that it feels icky, especially when someone views voting as a way to send a message or present their own moral views, but that's not what voting is. Not in the general election at least.

You will affect the race in one of two ways regardless of what you do. You will either benefit Party A or Party B, those parties being the two largest parties, aka Democrats and Republicans.

When a 3rd party becomes larger than the Democratic or Republican party, you would be correct. That is not the case, so you're still incorrect.

So in your opinion what makes the GOP more deserving of your support compared to the Democrats?

You are incorrect. While a vote for the GOP candidate certainly carries more weight, it doesn't mean they don't benefit from non/3rd party votes. That is how FPTP voting works.

I don't care about the reasoning you make for your actions. We're talking about the results of those actions.

You will affect the race in one of two ways regardless of what you do. You will either benefit Party A or Party B, those parties being the two largest parties, aka Democrats and Republicans. Non votes and 3rd party votes benefit the smaller party, which is the GOP. This is an absolute fact within a FPTP system, even if you can't accept it because of the obvious implications.

If you feel the GOP has done more to earn your support, that's your call. I just think that's some next level dumbassery.

I'm not making any distinction between non votes and 3rd party votes. From a purely electoral perspective a Stein voter is the same as someone who doesn't show up. This is why people are rightfully frustrated with them. It's a pretty simple concept and the only response is usually "not uh!".

A spoiler is something that only exists in the mind of Liberals

Math. You're disagreeing with math. Or are completely unaware of how FPTP voting works (I know this isn't the case).

when the Illegal human 'Locust'

I hate that someone can say this Nazi shit out loud in public and not have their entire life destroyed.

It's all hands on deck this November. We have to bury these fuckers. Vote, volunteer, talk to everyone you know, and donate what you can. If you dont know where or how PM me and I'll help you out.

Hey now, let's not rule anything out. We may be looking at the vengeful ghost of cricket here.

I couldn't care less who you vote for. Your propaganda crusade for 3rd party candidates is where I get annoyed. Luckily you're incredibly transparent so I don't think you're all that effective.

No one's angry with you. We just know what you are and it's just annoying that we have to cover your spew of nonsense when we could be having much more productive and interesting discussions.

This ends another pointless conversation with a child. Have a nice day!

What they, and you, are doing is refusing to participate in the system as it currently functions and by doing so allowing the system to put a fascist in charge, a fascist that will happily wipe them out.

I disagree. OP is 1000% aware of the results of the actions they support. They are actively participating in assisting fascists. I refuse to let them act like they're sitting this out because they're so enlightened about the duopoly and whatever nonsense they want to removed about.

And we already have a mechanism to claw back benefits from those that truly shouldn't have them: taxes. Taylor Swift wants food stamps? Cool. Hook her up and then tax that back at the end of the year. It's fairly simple.

SUGAR...IN WATER

Nah he's already got the tax break there. Next dead "wife" goes to Mar a lago. His summer graveyard.

I'll gladly volunteer Colorado. ADX Florence is a perfect spot for him.

I'm pretty far left of Harris and I would be furious if she got up there and said she was going to ban fracking. We might like to hear that, but it's a goddamn fact that swing voters she needs to win in PA do not. She can say whatever the fuck she wants about fracking as long as she wins.

Dipshit continues to fuck up his own money laundering operation, more at 12.

If the Pope murders his wife they'll have two things in common.

They never send me any of that shit, I feel left out.

A lot of people live through suicide maimed because the bullet ricocheted off their skull.

I'm gonna need a definition on "a lot" here

In a completely uncontested race? Totally fine with voting 3rd party to send a message to the Democrats.

That's not what we're talking about here. When the alternative candidate in a tight race is from a party whose goal is to abandon democracy altogether, that 5% is absolutely critical. In order to "send a message" to the Democrats, you give the GOP the ability to limit democracy even further for the next election. If there even is another election. And the Democrats can't implement the changes you want to see even if they wanted to because they lack the power from losing the election. That's a ridiculous trade-off.

I see you chose optimism today.

If enough people are voting third party that it’s a threat then maybe the other parties should take notice and change to support the popular policies and win back support.

This does not work in a FPTP system. Every vote you peel off the Democrats just enables the Republicans and sets reform back even farther. The only way telling people to vote 3rd party is helpful is if they were going to vote for the GOP. Peeling votes away from Democrats HURTS the chances of other parties to be viable in the future.