I think hands with pawpads and some proper claws are a good compromise :3

I'd be an anthro, so all the benefits of being hooman without being hooman (except sweating, so you'd be able to outrun me eventually)

Depends, if it's only biological changes, I'd get myself two hearts, and minimize the chances of any disease or aging knocking me out, then become an anthro folf because being hooman is overrated

If cybernetics are allowed, I'd probably get rid of the damn body and just have a virtual one, with my brain connected to some machine deep underground

I heccin love this!

Nope! The point is that the hardware is deployed, and strong attestation is available.

But for now, a lot of apps still rely on the old SafetyNet or weak integrity. So the clock is ticking, the more up to date devices running modern Android there are, the more likely these apps are to switch over to the new system and require hardware attestation, because why wouldn't they once everyone is "ready" for it.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue against, what I'm trying to say is that the technology is very dangerous and must be banned, I'm with you on user control. But I won't fall into a false sense of security about being able to bypass everything, because we don't have control over low level hardware as we do with software, so these megacorps have the upper hand.

They have already played along, all devices that have Google Play preinstalled have to pass this test.

But locking you out of installing software is not the point, it's much more insidious than that. What will happen is that major services you rely on will want your device to present a cryptographic proof it's running the original software, which can't be spoofed. So for example your YouTube would only send you over the video stream if it knows that on the other side there's an unmodified app running on an unmodified OS. Same thing goes for your bank. At some point you're so locked out of essential services when running a custom OS that nobody will do it, because these days you almost need a phone to function in society.

The hardware doesn't lock you out of your device, it lets remote servers present you with an ultimatum, if you don't present the proof you're out, if you do, that means you're running the stock OS and thus can't do anything.

Well not quite, you still cannot pass strong integrity, because it's based on a hardware chain of trust.

I'm sure there will be vulnerable hardware out there, and groups which are able to extract the keys, so nothing changes from a security perspective, you still can't fully trust the client to not scam you out of money or something.

But for forcing people to see ads, or discouraging the use of free software, adding vendor lock-in? You don't even need special hardware to be annoying about it, SafetyNet in its bypassable form has already made mobile payments unreliable on non-Google Android so much that it doesn't make sense to use them, because you could be denied service at random whenever the binary updates.

Strong attestation in play integrity is pretty much impossible to get around from an individual user's perspective, and in the best case scenario would be bypassable with significant effort, likely involving you having to buy leaked keys on the black market.

Won't work sadly, if you install a custom OS your device will not be able to attest to it being original, and play integrity won't pass (which would by extension include WEI). Not providing the results will be seen as just as bad as not passing. So as long as the vast majority of mobile users have it deployed you're screwed.

You can think of it as requiring everyone to wear a cryptographic ID badge to do something as simple as going to the store to buy groceries. You can always not wear it, but you will be denied service just as someone who has a "made up" ID.

The evil exists at the silicon level where they cryptographic keys are hidden from the user.

Hmm I think my main concern would be lack of kernel/firmware updates, running something like postmarketOS could partly solve that and still be nearly as easy to set up (just unlock and flash a prebuilt image)

But firmware is still almost entirely dependent on the vendor, since it's all signed and unpatchable.

Next issue would be lack of connectivity on a lot of phones, which have gone backwards and include USB 2.0 now. WiFi is an option, but less stable, I personally decided to just go 100Mbps and suffer.

As for the battery, it would help a lot if phones were designed to boot without one and they were removable, it all worked well for about half a year until I found out I had a spicy pillow and had to replace it with direct power to the board, which made the whole setup much less elegant and required soldering.

It all comes down to how devices are designed in the end. If someone took the time to make a computer instead of just a phone, and included features that make it useful past its initial life that aren't that popular (display output, microsd, headphone jack), mainlined all the drivers and maintained firmware, that would be a different story.

But that's not a very profitable model, because it's all about reducing waste and thus selling less. A lot needs to change.

Yeah, it's probably worth it to slightly push back against these people irl, because there is a chance that's the signal they need to change, but online they can just copy your responses around and use them to further their crap. They probably love getting attention inside furry spaces like this one.

Best option is to ignore them, or if you must interact, troll around so it's at least fun for you instead of being exhausting.

Not sure myself, I'm trying to get into some IT jobs (not necessarily programming) that aren't anywhere near social media and are more focused on internet infrastructure, but getting any job is hard when you're starting out and I would like to avoid the evil ones at all cost.

But just as there is no ethical consumption in capitalism, there's no consensual work, so the values of wherever you end up working won't align with yourself or the other workers fully, it's just a question of degree.

Assuming you want to follow from Mastodon, you'd have to replace ! with an @ or just paste the link. Though I wouldn't recommend it as you'll get the replies to every post boosted onto your timeline :/

A fursona is a better investment, benefits include:

• cute (even when you deny it)
• everyone loves it
• can be whatever you want, lots of choices
• expression of your inner self
• versatile
• can't really be stolen
• inner emotional support
• increases in personal value as you grow with it
• won't lie to you about making free capitalism coins™

Nice! That works way better than I expected!

It's definitely useful for exploring ideas, I recently used AI-generated images as reference for an artist and it helped me get my thoughts across. I can't wait to see the final result of it!

It's probably also good for adding illustration to text where someone otherwise wouldn't be able to afford it or spend the time, adding detail to your own art and so on.

The worrying thing to me is how fast it can create all sorts of images, and combined with LLMs and other tools even be automated. I could totally see entire feeds being populated by personalized AI art, stories, and music, let's not forget that's largely dictated by algorithms already if someone uses things like Spotify.

So one day it might get extremely difficult to tell if what you're looking at was even created by someone on their own, or if AI had any significant role in it. This would make it impossible for regular artists to compete under the current economic model, which to be fair needs to go, but it will still cause suffering in the meantime. Even beyond capitalism, people want share their work for others to appreciate, and if every channel of communication is flooded it's going to be pretty difficult to get noticed among the noise. If AI can create stunning images it might also depreciate art in the eyes of others, because to get to a very similar result using AI could take a lot less effort if the technology further improves, so they might see it as just a commodity or "pretty picture" and not think about artists at all.

Oh yeah, does get pretty toasty though!

Welcome!

That's really cool and totally in scope, feel free to share more!

Maybe bark.video?

I think this video is gone?

But I've seen this video of display link working on a Poco F1, and you can clearly see the difference in smoothness. It's probably fine for some desktop use, but not for gaming.

Probably won't be great because the port is still USB 2.0, video takes a lot of bandwidth

Ayyy fellow sdm845 phone!

Such a shame you can't plug it into a monitor, it runs games like minecraft so well!

it's blurred because the entire community is marked as NSFW, I remember someone sharing a userstyle that disables it.

Maybe you could poke the mod to change it, since you can still mark individual posts as NSFW and there's nothing inherently NSFW about this community.

I guess you could make a lemmy community where only you can post and it would act as a kind of blog, but you still can't follow mastodon users. That's actually something I want to do with my own instance and a custom frontend, because it seems perfect for what I want!

Not sure if merging different accounts would really be possible like that, you could do authentication using mastodon accounts similar to how you can log in with google, but there's really no universal way of doing it over activitypub itself unless you want to send confirmation codes over it like we do over email heh.

It's possible to point a custom domain to your existing fedi account with webfinger (you actually only need to make a file in .well-known on a web server), but I don't think it's possible to do it with multiple accounts. It would actually be cool if you could point people to your domain and have different fedi software figure out which one is the most appropriate, or present a list.

Also that custom domain won't show up on the account itself, that's another opportunity to maybe make identify separable from instances, so someone could be less dependent on it sticking around, I think bsky attempts to do something like that, but it also has quite a lot of holes in it and I feel like activitypub is a better foundation overall.

That's what happened with musky husky, but it'd be very in character for spez to change the actual results to his liking lol

I'm very afraid another alternative is being conisidered here, and it's worse than any of these.

It's fascism.

And there's sadly precedent for it, economic crisis leads to political and social instability that can be cleverly exploited by appealing to peoples' emotions and putting them against an imagined enemy in other people, when the real enemy is hovering above us and cheering it on.

Definitely agree, there's just no denying it will take a lot of valuable things down with it and make plenty of noise in the process :/

It's gonna be funny if users vote in favor of the protest and against pro-spez mods.

Maybe he will start editing other people's votes too!

Meh, that's the logical conclusion of capitalism.

I suspect these supposedly good companies will either rise and fall as they run out of VC money, or become another OpenAI or Google at one point, only using their initial investment to kick start their tech.

But also we have to think about getting replaced by automation anyway (large corporations having exclusive access to it only exacerbates it). It's different from previous forms of technology, because it won't really create enough jobs for people.

And while we're at it, if we can get abundance of labour, why not give people a bit more agency over everything than just delegating it to some rich fucks who will turn around the moment they sniff out a way to make extra money and abuse in a multitude of ways to keep their influence?

Yeah, pretty much...

tbh training robots on videos wouldn't even be bad copyright wise, there's nothing copyrightable about the way people move and do things, and people mostly want boring manual jobs to be automated (at least if we get rid of capitalism first so we don't fucking starve). But of course Google wants to have an edge on its robots and they can get that by siloing off the data from everyone else...

AI research should be public and the results made as accessible as possible. I hate the intersection of AI and capitalism.

OpenAI definitely owes a lot to Reddit threads, I've even been able to trace a GPT-4 hallucination to a single thread where the things it was talking about appeared, but it seemed to have merge two completely different names together.

It definitely could be a contributing factor, the biggest players are caught in a war among themselves while trying to fend off open models at the same time. That may explain why everyone values their publicly accessible data all of a sudden.

Maybe even the recent stuff with YouTube (invidious and ad blockers) can be explained by this, maybe they want to set the stage for restricting access to videos. Why? Videos have proven to be a good way of training open-ended agents that play Minecraft for example. Google has PALM-E (which is based on an LM and another transformer for performing physical movements) and is working on general-purpose robots. They also said they were training on some kind of model that's built to be multimodal from the very start, which will probably be a successor to that.

I think it's interesting how much really silly fursuiting content there used to be on youtube, even some colab channels. I guess a lot of that has moved into VR, which removes the physical barrier, at least aside from the cost and the software ecosystem being ehh.

I think there is a bit more awareness now of the issues inside the fandom, though some of it has been directed into chaotic birdsite outrage which isn't terribly productive, and we've lost some autonomy to large sites, but so has a lot of the internet. Still our culture is quite unique and worth fighting for.

I don't know if I really miss anything in particular, maybe I'm a bit on the younger side here since I've been a furry for more like 6-7 years (also fuck, where has that time gone?)

Hmm, you could probably extend the protocol to do eventual consistency across instances if that ever becomes a problem, remote instances could keep their own counts and only send aggregated updates.

AGI really bothers me and bends my ethics, I really can't think of any way to approach this problem.

I don't like authority even in limited contexts, but it's sometimes needed and we can deal with it, at the end of the day we all have our brains and that's something nobody can take away from us or really replace.

Even dangerous technology like nukes, it sucks that anyone can have this power, but it's destructive power, you could cause an outcome that's good for nobody and that's about all.

Biology and medicine are much closer to AI, that's where you start getting into infohazards in the form of bioweapons, and the possibility of extreme inequality if not everyone is allowed equal access. The troubling part is that we are already here, and capitalism can decide whether someone gets to live or not, or if they have a healthy life, that's so deeply wrong I can't even fucking begin to describe how I feel about it. If we ever start modifying ourselves without addressing this, it's going to turn into a dystopia.

And now we have AGI to worry about, which is all of that and more. We could have dictatorships which don't require humans to enforce them, those with access to such technology would be like gods to others, anyone with the ability to shape it could influence all of society. Our brains are what make us special and if that becomes replaceable we'd be powerless. Sam Altman says "we" a lot, but why should WE give THEM such power? Or anyone for that matter, I don't think there's anyone I would trust with this, not a government, no collective decision making system, no company or individual. But at the same time you can't give everyone access, because it would be catastrophic. It's a paradox and I don't think there's a solution good for humanity.

Another thing here is how exactly do you prevent a leak from happening, considering we're dealing with information here. It's another infohazard and it only needs to happen once to cause a catastrophe.

And on top of all that, if we could somehow overcome everything, there are so many ethical and philosophical questions. It seems what we want to make is a perfect slave, a machine to do the thinking for us and better than us (whoever "us" refers to here), and there is this sort of assumption that it's fine to do it because it's artificial and that an intelligence that has no consciousness can be created, despite the fact it already arised in at least one biological being - us, and it's not like we were designed with some magical purpose to be that way. We have absolutely no idea what we're getting oursleves into here, and it could be the worst thing will ever have done.

I don't know how we could stop, considering computing power is ever increasing and it seems inevitable that someone will create these things, but we sure as hell shouldn't be accelerating and dressing it up in good things, because what we set out to create is a curse.

Sorry for the long rant, I had a couple thoughts bottled up from the last few days...

This sort of thing is why it bothers me when people mention staying and fighting on centralized platforms. You are fighting code, your existence on these places is not tangible and you can be stripped of it without physical force. Online dictatorships are not like offline ones, they can only fall when they run out of money, which happens when they run out of all of you.

That's honestly a better story than those of us who stumbled on the weird cringe compilations, or even something spicy lmao

I guess the latest twitter wave is sort of relevant to me since a decent number of furries moved over, though I still feel like some more popular members of the community failed us there, because I haven't seen any of them trying to use their influence to do anything, and I feel like they should put in at least some effort to research that.

I also haven't seen anyone really promote their fedi accounts on other places even if they got one, but every YouTube video out there has a mention of twitter and other mainstream sites.

You're right about the culture, redditors have more agency, and it feels like twitter has turned people into zombies who don't think anything except what their timeline (if you can really still call it a timeline) feeds them, the moment it disappears from there it's as if it doesn't exist.

Really makes me wonder what platforms like tiktok where the user agency is maximally removed must be doing to people's brains, I've never used it so I can't tell exactly, but the 100% passive attitude of my younger siblings to it, social media and what happens within it gives me a hint.

In general I hate how the dynamics of social media crises like this always go, or be it any other platform where there are strong personal connections. People are like "Yes! Let's go!" and then some of them freeze up and wait for what others do, people who went first eventually come back because nobody followed them to the new place.

I guess the issue with Twitter is people have no option to organize and make decisions as a whole, except for relying on the algorithm designed to promote rage and novelty promoting a consensus for a day or two before it goes away.

I guess we'll see how the reddit thing goes and if it's any different, we'll have two data points to compare.

That looks like a great deal, but I'm in the EU sadly, so I guess I'll go for the 6800.

Thanks, the RX 6800 looks like a better option for me!

That's freaking huge if it happens, an entire community full of rust programmers moving to a project written in rust...

#cyberfurz-official:cyberfurz.chat and #home:furs.chat are good spaces to join if you go with Matrix, maybe others could also chime in if they know any!