u/youtubepuab - originally from r/GenZhou
Fascism is a tool, it is not "inevitable" but is a historical phenomena, it comes in times of crisis as the old society transforms in the new. There will only be fascist answer once a communist movement is large enough to be a vanguard of the country. Will this fascism be in the West? No it will be in the global south. Reactionary forces within the global south have already quelled many communist rebellions, but it is inevitable that they will lose.

The DOTP within Western countries will be the last. When the imperialist countries have to face their contradictions, only then they will fall.

u/sukieniko - originally from r/GenZhou
Yes but don't tell them that

u/Moralxsupport - originally from r/GenZhou
It was ran by 14-20 year olds with no life experience and a creepy pedo attorney. It was bound to fall at some point - just like the USSR.

u/Lenins2ndCat - originally from r/GenZhou
Their comments were the same but their situation was different, reddit did absolutely everything it could to be nice to them and to try and keep them. Reddit has done absolutely nothing to try and build a positive relationship with the left.

If the entire population of /r/genzedong moved to /r/socialism with almost no change in moderation, /r/socialism would also be killed off by reddit because it would become an immediate threat to the status quo with its high activity level and the quality of the arguments put forwards.

None of this has anything to do with moderation choices. It is a political repression. T_D on the other hand had a belligerent modteam that was uninterested in reining in some of the problems that existed. It wasn't politically repressed in the same way, Spez is far right and I suspect a majority of the techbros in reddit are psychotic libertarian ancap age-of-consent types.

u/KeyBoardWarrior1245 - originally from r/GenZhou
I feel like I saw this same comment 3 years ago. Except replace every mention of r/GenZeDong with r/The_Donald and you’ll have the same exact comments The_Donald users were making while their subreddit was dying. Sad

u/BreadDaddyLenin - originally from r/GenZhou
DISREGARD THIS CLOWN. HE IS A DELUDED NAZBOL DUTERTE SUPPORTER

u/Kravt3n01 - originally from r/GenZhou
I’m glad you can take strength out of your faith. Also it’s very healthy you’re aware about All of these feelings and how to cope with them. For me personally I learned to have a somewhat stable relation with keeping in touch with my political beliefs and learning to let them go to focus more on “life” in general after i went offline for a month or so. Also in general society opening up more now Made it a lot easier to proces some of the sleepless doomscrolling nights.

u/Chris3108 - originally from r/GenZhou
Can I have a source directly from communists in the Philippines. This could just be the government framing the opposition as having ties with the CPP NPA

u/SuspiciousMode4195 - originally from r/GenZhou
Their main publication Ang Bayan defends Robredo and promotes her. Their mass organizations are closely tied to the CPP. Their lines are nearly indistinguishable.

They have sided with US imperialism by splitting the PKP-1930. Also Sison was friends with Aquino who worked closely with the CIA before Marcos executed him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianSocialists/comments/sf7y1m/on_the_historic_origins_of_the_terrorist_movement/

u/Chris3108 - originally from r/GenZhou

They are endorsing the Liberal Party candidate Leni Robredo. Their mass organizations in BAYAN are promoting her.

That is an error but mass organizations have autonomy from the rest of the party so it might not be representative of the party itself.

They have sided with the US since 1968.

When?

u/SuspiciousMode4195 - originally from r/GenZhou
They are endorsing the Liberal Party candidate Leni Robredo. Their mass organizations in BAYAN are promoting her.

They have sided with the US since 1968.

u/Chris3108 - originally from r/GenZhou
When tf did the CPP side with the US.

u/SuspiciousMode4195 - originally from r/GenZhou
Achieving communism is siding with the main vehicle of US imperialism in the Philippines?

u/Chris3108 - originally from r/GenZhou
Cope, they are actually doing work to achieve communism unlike most groups in the world

u/SuspiciousMode4195 - originally from r/GenZhou
The Maoist clowns are losing in the Philippines.

u/Remarkable-Unit9011 - originally from r/GenZhou
Vanguardism is attainable. Its hard to see core imperial nations make the transition but if we end up in a multi polar world, particularly one where the US is forced into terminal decline, it is attainable.

Read your theory. Understand the tactics of the guerrila. Bide your time. There is no perfect time for revolution but there is always time to prepare

u/Chris3108 - originally from r/GenZhou
Communism is inevitable even under fascism. WHen the nazis controlled europe during ww2 there were many guerilla movements lead by communist parties and today there are communist guerillas gaining strength in places like the Philippines and India

u/spellbanisher - originally from r/GenZhou
From the perspective of Marxist Dialectical Materialism, it is impossible in our current epoch to imagine a stateless society. The premise of dialectical materialism is that since society is constantly in flux, every epoch contains contradictions, that is, Progressive and reactionary, forces destroying the current order (or bringing about the next order) and forces sustaining it. The job of a Marxist is to identify the contradictions, then to aid the progressive forces while opposing the reactionary ones.

For example, looking at the Capitalist epoch, the Progressive forces are: abolishing feudalism, creating the proletariat, socializing production, generating enormous material wealth, and promoting cultural and social interaction. The reactionary forces are the dictatorship of capital, the creation of the bourgeoisie, the alienation of social relations, aritifical scarcity and inequality, and imperialism.

The Marxist should support the eradication of feudalism while also opposing the dictatorship of capital, back the proletariat against the bourgeoisie, oppose artificial scarcity, support cultural intercourse while fighting imperialism.

It makes no sense to discuss what Communism would look like when the world hasn't even entered the socialist epoch (or in the case of China, the higher mode of socialism). At best we can only adumbrate it.

u/Choris - originally from r/GenZhou
The wealth of European leaders/oligarchs is connected to the US-controlled financial system. They have worked for a long time to get their hands on so much wealth, but they could lose most of it if the US chooses to sanction Europe next (or even just those leaders individually). They would have to start from nothing again, and even then, China wouldn't even allow them to hoard similar amounts of assets and power compared to what they have now.

u/Niomedes - originally from r/GenZhou
Since the overwhelming majority of crimes arise from inequality, there just won't be that many. Other than that, society will absolutely maintain security forces that can handle those outliers. It's necessity for any society to have an organised defense, or else it cannot really defend itself.

u/BILLCLINTONMASK - originally from r/GenZhou
Go back in time and ask a Roman Senator what "capitalist society" will look like and he'd have no idea.

I'd wager any answer you're going to get (however well informed) is not coming from a seer who can accurately describe the future.

u/ChineseGoldenAge - originally from r/GenZhou
Couple of questions:

1. How would law be maintained? Example like for crimes.
2. How would robots with advanced artificial intelligences or advanced human social engineering have a place in a socialist/communist/stateless society? These robots will run the means of production right?

u/darthpoof - originally from r/GenZhou
"When, at last, it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself unnecessary. As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection; as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon our present anarchy in production, with the collisions and excesses arising from these, are removed, nothing more remains to be repressed, and a special repressive force, a State, is no longer necessary. The first act by virtue of which the State really constitutes itself the representative of the whole of society — the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society — this is, at the same time, its last independent act as a State. State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies out of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. The State is not "abolished". It dies out. This gives the measure of the value of the phrase: "a free State", both as to its justifiable use at times by agitators, and as to its ultimate scientific insufficiency; and also of the demands of the so-called anarchists for the abolition of the State out of hand."

The State is the apparatus one class uses to supress other classes; it arose from class society and likewise disappears along with class society. When there is no class society on a global scale, there is by definition no state. There is still a government and representatives etc etc, not some weird utopian/anarchist concept of "the people" directly ruling and deciding everything with some sort of impossible mass direct democracy.

u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
They've never done that. We can see the contrary when Hitler banned all parties except the nazi party. Same jn italy. We can even see this in Ukraine where Zelensky is banning opposition parties. So this is ahistorical nonsense you are spouting.

My bad for not answering the question I was just so caught off guard by that idiotic statement of yours my friend. The goal isn't to reestablish faith in this system. Its just to buy time to fight against the inevitable. Nowhere did I say to validate the system. You are putting words in my mouth.

u/thunderfart6 - originally from r/GenZhou
Liberal democracy as it exists is supported by fascists. What are you talking about? Lol. You didnt even answer my question tho.

u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou

fascists defend liberal democracy.

No they don't....

In fact they actively oppose it. Huh? This literally runs contrary to all examples of fascism.

u/justaguy891 - originally from r/GenZhou

defend liberal democracy

im sorry, wheres the democracy? certainly not here in america

u/thunderfart6 - originally from r/GenZhou
Telling people to defend liberal democracy is a bad thing when the goal is actual democracy. Why would you instill faith in bourgeois elections when we know that cannot and will not improve the lives of anyone, but the ones at the top? Liberals and fascists defend liberal democracy, we're supposed to challenge it and show why it's bullshit with a solution.

u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
Telling people to defend liberal democracy isn't a bad thing. Is fascism an inevitability for the American people? Yes, as certain as the sun rising tomorrow. But telling people to defend lib democracy will buy time for communist, union organizers, and other groups of the oppressed to organize. Build the proper institutions to counter act this threat.

u/stalbox - originally from r/GenZhou

Chinese Marxist economist Minqi Li comments on unequal exchange as a result of wage differentials using the metric of “labour terms of trade,” the ratio between average labour time embodied in a given monetary quantity of exports and the same monetary quantity of imports of a country. A labour terms of trade less than 1 means that a country on average has to spend more time working to import foreign goods than foreign countries spend working to import that country’s goods. In this sense, a country with a labour terms of trade less than 1 is being exploited by foreign economies, as its workers have to work more hours than foreign workers for the same quantity of goods (i.e. its workers are underpaid relative to foreign workers).

By 2012, China had a net ‘exploiter’ in its trade with East Asian, South Asian, and African Peripheral economies… However, China’s labor terms of trade was only 0.14 against thr United Tates and 0.20 against other ‘high income economies’… China’s terms of trade against the Middle East, Eastern Europe and Latin America remained unfavourable. Overall, China continues to be a peripheral economy within the capitalist world system.

I pulled most of this from my notes on Zak Cope’s The Wealth of Some Nations so lmk if I was unclear or if you need more context. It’s been a while since I’ve read it so I don’t think I was as eloquent as I could’ve been.

u/Guidobama - originally from r/GenZhou
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u/thunderfart6 - originally from r/GenZhou
Idk they got a pretty liberal line when it comes to elections which is like the worst way to build socialism

u/bigman1025 - originally from r/GenZhou
What do you mean he did nothing????

u/laundry_writer - originally from r/GenZhou

genetically and culturally superior to the Chinese

Isn't HK mostly Han Chinese?

u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
No I'm dead ass. Anyone who actually pays attention to American communist activity will tell you what I have. Like c'mon over the past 10 months their membership has grown exponentially.

This comment of yours has no material basis in reality.

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u/Jack_ofall_Trades85 - originally from r/GenZhou
Honestly I think cpusa, psl are jokes. Only 'communist' platform i would support is the SEP/WSWS

u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
A was under that impression like 2 years ago but nah the CPUSA is a marxist leninist organization. The Joe and Rosana era of the cpusa is doing pretty good for the party.

u/MichaelLanne - originally from r/GenZhou
Obviously the Germany ,if I was in Europe at this time is the bigger threat. I’ll remind you that the Marxist-Leninist were the first ones who resisted against Nazism in the occupied territories contrary to the bourgeoisie, the liberals, the social-democrats, the anarchists and the Trotskyites who mades the choice of defeat. This doesn’t mean that they weren’t aware of Anglo Imperialism : they just know their priorities.

u/randomassname0120 - originally from r/GenZhou
The West were also imperialists. In the fight between imperialists and imperialists, the question is do you support one or remain neutral?