What’s wrong with you? You’re trying to drag me into a conversation I very much don’t care for

This is another side effect of heavy modding and forced politeness in that it encourages this kind of game playing where you pepper your previous comments with edits to try to appear to be the reasonable party for latecomers to the conversation and paint the other as an aggressor. This leads to a forum of effete weirdos, each trying to outdo the other in feigned affront and "Good day to you sir!" type comments, such as again you've demonstrated here.

Nobody dragged you anywhere. You stuck your oar in of your own volition.

Do you ever stop before typing something on the internet and ask yourself “Would I say this to someone IRL? And in response to this particular thing?”

Not really, but since you ask in this case it was because you were trying to start shit by making a removed comment, so I responded in kind. SInce you were making excuses for a Nazi apologist it seemed apt.

Edit: being passive aggressive is unhelpful. I’ll correct myself.

Same here.

If your intention was to offend me over forum drama neither of us was part of, good job.

We were both part of it. The moderation was over the top and not wanted here, it just makes people resort to making removed sneering remarks instead of plain speaking, as you've demonstrated here.

so support russia, no matter the cost? even at the detriment of the very class and people we are supposed to stand for? because you wont have an easy time explaining this to people affected by this conflict.

Fucking Marvel Brain on display. You don't sympathise with Nazis so you must support Russia. Goodies and Baddies, you're with us or against us. I'm not the guy you originally started shit with.

because you wont have an easy time explaining this to people affected by this conflict.

And will you have an easy time explaining your sympathy for an ethnic cleansing fascist army to the people who've been mass murdered for years now? See we can both play this moronic game. The difference is that I don't have to try to put words in your mouth.

it really doesnt matter how well you wrap an idea, as soon as people struggle to put food on the table or you make too many mothers and fathers cry, you are done and people will turn to anyone who promises to fix things.

Your entire analysis is "food on the table" idealistic drivel and smugly playing to the crowd for updoots.

i understand what you are saying - russia must succeed here if leftist movement should have a hope, and america must be weakened. but to brush off this war as something to be celebrated is kinda sick. its fucking tragic.

I didn't say anything like that. And I didn't say this war should be celebrated either you liar.

you say that you support the end of the western hegemon. i dont think you will find anyone here who will disagree. but the methods are many, and the idea that this goal should be obtained by… pitting workers against workers, is rather alien to me.

The workers are being pitted against workers by the capitalists, not me or any other socialist here. I'm sure plenty of German Nazis in WW2 had to put food on the table too, that doesn't mean you get to "both sides" it.

you call me an anarchist. on what basis?

You trade solely in idealism and have zero analysis in material reality, the shoe fits. "War bad" and "soldiers are workers" is not any argument to sympathise and support the army of a fascist neo-Nazi puppet state of global hegemony.

i will not comment on the nazi callouts you keep throwing around. but it does seem you are the kind of person that keeps the leftist movement weak by sticking your head high up the clouds rather than looking down and trying to lend a hand to a working man.

There are quite literally Nazis involved in this war and your enlightened centrism calls for ignoring that. This is unacceptable for any socialist.

this war should not be happening. and i will die on that hill.

Who here said this war should be happening? Imbecile.

Now that doesn't sound very respectful my Anarcho-Nazi friend.

I disagree, it doesn't at all sound like they just wanted to start shit, it sounds like they had a real grievance with an idealistic framing. I don't agree at all with him that "The war itself is an progressive force towards a socialist world" but I absolutely disagree too with the other centrist guy trying to pretend that these Nazi allies are somehow innocent poor people versus "the rich".

The problem with these "respectful" crap is that it can be loosely applied anywhere and selectively enforced. Was the first guy being respectful when he accused the other of supporting the rich? This happening in a thread where someone started with "this right here is what makes this community truly different from that redditor horde.". This kind of shit is exactly the type of fragile modding thing that reddit is rife with.

At the very most it should be a warning. This place is completely fucked if this kind of thing is allowed to continue.

Calling an admin a moron is not something that should be a bannable offence.

Just to mention someone that isn't a YouTuber and hasn't been mentioned already: Caitlin Johnstone

Beer brewing?

He probably doesn't believe much of anything he says and co-opts contentious talking points to generate views and clicks. Just another breadTube grifter. He's not wrong in this instance but that doesn't matter to him.

He's had this same allegation levelled against him in the past by Dr Bair during his taking apart of BE's Uighur genocide crap:

"BE seems to me to be the kind of leftist that the authorities most like. Naively assuming that all govts are bad, by hating everything, he becomes exactly the kind of naive rube that he continually ridicules others for being when they believe a govt might do something good."

So he's just picked up this talking point as a juicy bait for clicks.

In what way is it "not intelligent"?

The only Star Trek franchise I've ever despised. Can't get past the opening credits, the shit theme tune with a montage of America's pathetic space race efforts.

Let's not pretend that it's just a normal society run by a few bad apples here.

It was a video address.

And to harvest identities through requiring registered email addresses.

I kind of hate lemmys set up. I cant tell who is replying to what.

How is it any different to reddit? I much prefer to UI here.

The libs focus on what they're told to focus on. It's just that simple. In a few years (if we're not all dry and crispy) when the truth is out about Ukraine people will swear they never believed it at the same time that they're telling you the Chinese are planning to blow up the moon.

they still believe all the scary things about ML states

This describes pretty much all non-ML "leftists".

it’s constructed in such a way that it will fool most bourgeois to think the movie confirms their bias of seeing poor people as parasites

My lib friends didn't get this though. I wonder how many did.

Mine was a couple of weeks ago. Around 2 years old, no idea what karma it had. What shocked me was that they went after my only alt that I used exclusively for fantasy football too. I appealed and they got back today with a fuck off. I was banned for telling a yank to burn in hell as he mocked they millions killed by the US.

For anyone wondering what is going on all you need to do is visit the BBC or NYT or WAPO and believe the complete opposite of what they're trying to steer you towards.

Here they're doing the tried and trusted trading of idealist ideas of "freedom" for practicality.

What about it? Let's go through them:

Abdulhakim Idris: Menace. China's Colonization of the Islamic World & Uyghur Genocide, 329 pp., Center for Uyghur Studies, Washington, DC, 2020, ISBN 978-1-7365414-1-8

This is one of several NED funded organisations created to spread lies and propaganda to manufacture consent for American warmongering.

Clarke, Michael (9 April 2008). "China's "War on Terror" in Xinjiang: Human Security and the Causes of Violent Uighur Separatism". Terrorism and Political Violence. Informa UK Limited. 20 (2): 271–301. doi:10.1080/09546550801920865. ISSN 0954-6553. S2CID 144284074. Clarke, Michael E. (2011). Xinjiang and China's Rise in Central Asia - A History (1st ed.). London: Taylor & Francis. doi:10.4324/9780203831113. ISBN 978-1-1368-2706-8.

These two are from long before there were ever any allegations of any kind of genocide. There was US funded terrorism going on, that's all.

Dwyer, Arienne M. (2005). The Xinjiang Conflict: Uyghur Identity, Language Policy and Political Discourse (PDF). Washington, D.C.: East-West Center Washington. hdl:10125/3504. ISBN 1-932728-29-5. ISSN 1547-1330.

This is from 2005, the US was bombing Xingjiang at the time and funding extremism to make trouble for China.

Starr, S. Frederick, ed. (2004). Xinjiang: China's Muslim Borderland. Studies of Central Asia and the Caucasus. Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe. ISBN 978-0-7656-1318-9.

Again, too early to even allege anything.

Hayes, Anna; Clarke, Michael (2015). Inside Xinjiang: Space, Place and Power in China's Muslim Far Northwest (1st ed.). London: Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781315770475. ISBN 9781315770475.

Another uncontroversial piece.

None of these back up any claims of genocide. Nobody's even ever found a single refugee. There was this person who did an AMA only for reddit to call her out.

You can read people who are actually from there who are stunned to hear that people are being told this obvious nonsense.

etc

etc.

etc.

It originally started with a report authored by Adrian Zenz, a far-right fundamentalist Christian who opposes homosexuality and gender equality, supports “scriptural spanking” of children, and believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China. He says he interviewed 8 people and came to his conclusions about millions of people in prison. He's a senior fellow in China studies at the far-right "Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation", which was established by the US government in 1983. He also thinks that Jews who don't convert to Christianity should be wiped out.

Mass censorship, when was the last time you heard Russia's take on anything?

Honest answer, there's generally no evidence for hoaxes as such, just no evidence for it having happened.

Same here, I'm using the website on the DDG browser on Android. The DDG browser is really good too compared to Chrome on Android, would recommend.

Agreed. c/redditactionfront

I think he's either some kind of niche troll or a complete imbecile.

Yes it's fine if they were conscripted, of course it is?

Good we should have more of that. Wikipedia is overrun with fake news, they still have a page up about the "Uighur Genocide" hoax.

The first is the NYT is lying - Given their track record and the reliability discussions linked above, this seems highly unlikely.

This has to be a pisstake.

The rational default position should be to disbelieve everything you hear about Russia, China, Cuba... etc. basically anything geopolitical from western mainstream news. On every single thing you read.

https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1379986675103789058

This cunt needs to go waaay further than stance softening to undo the damage he's done. Many of us had to go to a lot of trouble to counter his lies.

Look at Asatar Bair's debunking of his hate and lies.

That's just incredible man. Thanks so much!

Nobody said he was 100% perfect, whatever his takes on low hanging fruit such as South America do nothing to excuse his deep throating sinophobic CIA rhetoric against the Chinese. If the US focus was currently on South America I've no doubt he'd be singing a different tune, fuck him. There's no comeback for him without a massive grovelling apology.

Stop spamming Bad Empanada. He's a grifter, he's no leftist at all.

No to Bad Empanada. He's just another breadtube scam artist.

Bad Empanada? TF are you on about. This little weasel was a major Uighur genocide blowhard wanker. He needs to fuck off permanently.

This is great, mind telling us how you did it?

Why is Taiwan grey?

I just saw Russians referred to as "animals", "not human" and "orcs" on BBC news. This is getting really wild. The staged Bucha thing can only be for one reason, they're ramping up to manufacture consent for NATO entering the war.