You are deluded if you think supporting Israel in its right to defend itself against Islamic Jihadist terrorists is exclusive to the far right. By your definition Biden must be on Truth social too

There’s no genocide

Never used Truth Social. Isn’t that for the far right?

You’re completely wrong. Im just against extreme religious terrorism. Strange that you think that makes me far right

I see what you did there, good one. But I meant these ones, these acts she’s celebrating: https://thisishamas.com

And they are rightfully designated a terrorist organisation in the U.K.

Free speech is not without limits in the U.K.

I think someone supporting terrorist atrocities is lucky to get away with just losing a visa.

Important context. Good riddance

Yea, give more weapons to terrorists. What could go wrong? The Lemmy community has truly gone insane

Ridiculous that Biden is changing policy due to students protesting a war just because the aggressor/initiator is losing badly. He’s lost their votes already.

Hoping they take Rafah soon and eliminate every last Hamas jihadist and hopefully get some hostages back alive

No, I’m quite happy to not support jihadist terrorist organisations like Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah, the Taliban, etc. But you do you if you think that’s the moral high ground

I apologise. Religion is of course beyond criticism. What are your thoughts on Scientology out of curiosity?

If calling out problems with a religion is your idea of racism you need to check the dictionary

Clearly because he wants to eliminate the jihadist terrorist organisation. I’m not claiming that’s the right decision but I understand it. But it seems a lot of Israelis don’t support him.

But just because Netanyahu is no longer interested in peace doesn’t automatically make Hamas a peaceful group. The group that performs suicide bombings, uses human shields, beheads civilians, would stone you to death for drawing a picture of the prophet. They are not looking for peace no matter how much you downvote

Where did I say I wanted to murder anyone?

Where do you live? Was it always the country it is now? How would your government react to constant bombardment from a fanatical religious neighbour that wanted to wipe your country off the map to get into paradise?

I can understand why you’d think that coming from a position of logic, but no, it’s Islam.

You’re right, it’ll probably go from >50% to 99%. And probably few of them will ever acknowledge that their religion and support of Hamas is what led to this tragedy.

No, I’m not commenting on Israels methods which clearly could be better, to put it mildly. That doesn’t mean it’s logical to dream there can ever be peace with jihadists

Wishing it to be untrue doesn’t work unfortunately

There’s just one small flaw in your plan. Hamas has widespread support in Palestine and is not interested in peace, only in the destruction of Israel.

If you end the war you just go back to the previous situation where Hamas will continue to persistently launch rockets at Israel and execute more terror attacks, not peace.

Guerillas/government. Potato/potato

I went back from Windows 11 to Windows 10 as 11 was too buggy on my system (maybe because I bypassed some checks for TPM because my motherboard was too old).

I cannot understand at all this move from control panel to settings thats half baked in 10 and presumably even worse in 11. It’s not an improvement and makes things difficult to find

No, I was anti-jihadist prior to October. You?

Why would they be?

Ukraine was attacked by Russia which started a war. Israel was attacked by Palestine which started a war. You should be asking if Russian flags and symbols will also be banned if you want to find an equivalence.

They should launch a brutal attack on Israel to get everyone on their side

It’s not being bigoted to point out the dangers of the current form of Islam. You only have to have eyes to see the extent of jihad, mercy killings, beheadings for drawing Mohamed, etc. or to see the stats from polls where large numbers say it is justified, or sometimes justified.

It absolutely doesn’t apply to all Muslims but it’s not a tiny minority, and other religions do not have anywhere near the same violence today. Burying your head in the sand and calling people bigots and racists is pathetic and doesn’t help.

Can anyone, I mean anyone, please explain to me that allure of so called cats. We are happy and have no cats. I just don’t get it

You’re*

His ideas match mine completely but you aren’t interested because you cannot respond to him with insults so you want me to try to explain them with my poor cogency.

No conflict here, maybe just poor communication skills

Listen to Sam Harris. My views are identical, but he is much more capable at explaining than I could ever hope to be. Try the making sense podcast episode 362.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-with-sam-harris/id733163012?i=1000651919029

Nope, I’m done with this conversation. I’m a racist bigot with no compassion for the poor terrorists. You got me. You win

Just Islam. Don’t see any others religions doing jihad these days. But they’re all nonsensical

If that’s what you want to take from what I said then that’s fine, but no, I’m not racist or genocidal.

Islam is evil. Not all its followers are. And if people weren’t so scared of being labeled racist we might have an honest discussion about its problems. Hamas needs to be fought just like Nazis did. Naziism needed to be destroyed, not Germans, despite Nazi ideas proliferating through Germany.

There is no historical context worth discussing. Hamas wants to kill Jews and always will.

Listen to Sam Harris. Or continue to defend jihad. Whatever

It’s not racist. Religionist maybe. And I stand by it. Islam is the biggest threat we face today. You don’t understand that.

I cannot say if I grew up there that I wouldn’t have the same beliefs, brainwashing children is extremely effective. But those ideas, the religion, need to be acknowledged and challenged in any response. Not just stick our heads in the sand and pretend they’re logical beliefs and that they will spontaneously want peace despite them repeatedly telling you they don’t.

I don’t think you actually understand jihadism. You think it’s a reaction to other circumstances and some fringe extremists rather than the actual goal and being widely supported. You can’t comprehend that goal so try to frame it in logic. But there is no logic involved in the beliefs of Islam and jihadism.

Yes Ireland deserves independence. Yes Palestine deserves independence. But that would not stop them trying to eradicate non Muslims.

I’m leaving this thread now but I can only suggest you listen to some Sam Harris

So you’re still defending jihadists and their supporters

It’s a tragedy whats happening to civilians in Palestine. Hamas needs to be destroyed and I hope Israel can minimise further collateral damage. (Though it must be exceptionally difficult with the tactics Hamas use)

But I hold the jihadist organisation Hamas (that still has widespread support) fully responsible for this tragedy, as I would hold the Nazis responsible for German civilian deaths.

Was their stated goal to wipe the U.K. off the face of the planet so that they could go to paradise?

ISF reported 305 shooting attacks committed in or emanating from the West Bank in 2022, more than triple the attacks (91) recorded in 2021. In press reports, Israeli officials described these incidents as terror attacks

Hamas may not be based in the West Bank but other Islamic terrorists certainly are, and Hamas is certainly widely supported there.

Where do you live? How would you treat neighbouring countries that rocket attacked you constantly and wanted you wiped out in the name of their religion?

If anything Israel showed significant restraint prior to October

Who said anything about Ireland. The post is about Hamas

You’re in a lemmy bubble then

You’re a terrorist sympathiser. They are not fighting in resistance because they’re oppressed. They’re trying to wipe out Israel because their holy book tells them to.

It must be difficult to stay in control with the tactics Hamas use, not caring at all about civilian lives, using human shields, suicide bombs, fighting from civilians buildings etc.

The IDF probably knows far more about that than we do

I think it’s up to the people from Northern Ireland